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We Are the Last People Who Know How It Works

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Re: We Are the Last People Who Know How It Works

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Hmmmm, I didn't read that as AI. What gives?

It reads like marketing speak is the problem. Why is it written in such a urgent, compelling manner with those short punchy sentences? It may not be AI, but no one writes like that naturally. Maybe the author picked it up from reading a bunch of AI writing? The repetition of using you as a subject is also a red flag.

It's the same style I see on Twitter and LinkedIn a lot.

Re: We Are the Last People Who Know How It Works

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post #229

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> "they will be as easy with it as you are with the light switch you never once thought about." This metaphor doesn't really feel coherent. > "What is dying is acquaintance." This is a very odd topic sentence. > "The kids coming up will not feel this as a loss, and they are not wrong not to." Claude loves stacking big piles of negatives and arguing both sides of everything. > "I went looking the other night for a rec…

There's an old saying of "Never Wrestle with a Pig. You Both Get Dirty and the Pig Likes It" which I'm about to fall victim to here. The bulk of your comment history seems to be finger-wagging these kinds of slop accusations on others. Maybe you're right with the others, but I definitely know you're not right on this one. What you're pointing out here sounds more like you just don't like the style of writing and the…

What did you mean by "they will be as easy with it as you are with the light switch you never once thought about"?

What does it mean to be easy with a light switch?

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post #7

It is no small feat to put in words that we are losing something almost as quickly as we are gaining something. The undertone, despite leaning into nostalgia boils down to losing control and this uneasiness I feel growing daily. It is already shocking to a certain degree seeing very young people not being able to use a computer in the narrow sense because all they ever learned was touch interfaces and apps. Curated c…

> It is already shocking to a certain degree seeing very young people not being able to use a vehicle in the narrow sense because all they ever learned were the mechanical controls of the so-called automobile. We could do this forever.

You mean as a distraction from the point being made?

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I'm one of the greybeards who has the 2400 BAUD modem negotiation tone sequences emblazened in my neurons. For a while I've been meaning to set up some Wireguard connections among some of my systems. Being as busy as I am with work and family, I've relinquished that to Tailscale for now. Sure, I could have sat down and jumped through the hoops to get everything set up and working across my various hosts, including ne…

>I'm one of the greybeards who has the 2400 BAUD modem negotiation tone sequences emblazened in my neurons. Making the jump from 300 baud to 2400 felt like magic!

I started on a faulty 1200 BAUD modem that would only connect at 300 BAUD. And I used to load my programs off a cassette tape.

If we keep this up, someone's bound to jump in with a brag about memory cores and punchcards.

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post #15

I doubt you ever understood the solid state physics, semiconductor fabrication processes, supply chain logistics, monetary policy, shipping routes, mining engineering, etc. "Knowing how things work" is a stone-age attitude.

Every domain you've enumerated is but a niche. Computing domain is a behemoth next to other domains, since computing itself is at the center of it all when the software is eating the world. Yes, they have their importance, but they are also mere bricks that built the current state of the world, next to computing becoming the mortar that holds them together. Dismissing computer illiteracy as inconsequential, (or at least comparing its importance to something like "shipping routes") in a world where computing systems are (in one way or another) everywhere, it's... just puzzling!

Re: We Are the Last People Who Know How It Works

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It is interesting that your recent posts have much more LLM style tics than your post on the same site from 2023. Are you deliberately imitating LLM writing quirks?

Why does it have to be deliberate? It's not surprising that people exposed to output from LLMs will unconsciously pick up their linguistic habits.

Maybe it isn't deliberate! I was asking out of curiosity. This reads as extremely LLM-y to me, so if it was purely human-written I am curious about the process.

Re: We Are the Last People Who Know How It Works

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post #54

The issue with this is that we don't know how it works. Generally speaking, we know how the level of abstraction that we were born with works. We might have some understanding of one or two previous levels, but that decreases the farther down you go. We might understand the next level, and some of the next after that, but eventually people will be making things that we don't have the context to understand without hav…

Wait a second, its layers all the way down Exactly, I'm over 50 and I remember all the complaints about script kiddies who looked at windows bat files as opposed to all the 'real programmers' who knew C and Assembly and used VIM and linux (which is still going strong) (ie https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/378:_Real_Program... ) but now also as an AI engineer we have to learn how harnesses, sys prompts, vario…

> nostaliga is always for the last layer

Now there's a sentiment worth Jenny Holzerizing.

Re: We Are the Last People Who Know How It Works

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post #141

A shame that Pangram flags this as AI. https://www.pangram.com/history/c0a9cde2-7a5c-4588-83a3-0269...

Given that I’m the author, I promise you I’m a real human. It’s not AI. Obviously there’s a rise in pure AI writing but I find these sort of services that “analyze” content more harmful than good.

Pretty much every HN article now has someone in the comment section chiming in to complain "This is AI".

Re: We Are the Last People Who Know How It Works

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The issue with this is that we don't know how it works. Generally speaking, we know how the level of abstraction that we were born with works. We might have some understanding of one or two previous levels, but that decreases the farther down you go. We might understand the next level, and some of the next after that, but eventually people will be making things that we don't have the context to understand without hav…

In 50 years, Gen Z will be retired, and they're going to be complaining: "The new generations don't know how anything works! They don't know how to enter in a prompt or optimize token usage. They don't even remember what keyboards are! They just Neropath into the UltraMind and synthesize facts into their neurons without even putting them to words or reading anything. We have lost something critical!"
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