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We Are the Last People Who Know How It Works

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Re: We Are the Last People Who Know How It Works

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>The difficulty was the knowledge. Please write your blog posts yourself. I don't want to have to parse through this stupid claude output to get to your point. Literally just posting the prompt would be better than this.

Hmmmm, I didn't read that as AI. What gives?

Re: We Are the Last People Who Know How It Works

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Does anyone have a list of all the times this sentiment has been incorrect over the decades?

There's no arguing down that we have a greater amount of information about old hardware and software easily available now compared to back then, and there are many more enthusiasts as well.

This kind of cognitive dissonance has been going on in other disciplines, like music, since their inception. Guess what? There's thousands of highly talented young people on social media covering it all.

What people are actually upset about is that there isn't new "old stuff" and they can't make money off what can now be thoroughly understood by anyone.

Don't get me wrong, AI is a total shitshow and we're entering another winter, but there's also no reason to be jealous of what is making money right now.

Re: We Are the Last People Who Know How It Works

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post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, that person is just the only one in his family who knows how computers work. There's plenty of people in generations both older and younger that know too, just apparently not his parents or his kids. Some of the most impressive assembly written today is by people younger than 20. It'll be fine.

It's broadly true though, that younger people struggle with the fundamentals of computing, even if there exists specific examples of young people accomplishing exceptional feats. We raised a generation of people on consumption-based computing devices, which means they don't develop the skills necessary to produce things using computers. Of course, we can teach these skills, but to do that, we must first acknowledge i…

When I look around at my generation it's all too noticeable that most of them are barely capable of using a computer for more than watching youtube either. And both generations older and younger than mine have generated exceptional programmers.

Whatever dictates if people are capable of creative work with computers, year of birth does not seem to be it.

Re: We Are the Last People Who Know How It Works

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's broadly true though, that younger people struggle with the fundamentals of computing, even if there exists specific examples of young people accomplishing exceptional feats. We raised a generation of people on consumption-based computing devices, which means they don't develop the skills necessary to produce things using computers. Of course, we can teach these skills, but to do that, we must first acknowledge i…

I agree; the situation "young people know all about computers" was maybe a twenty-five year phenomenon; before that, there weren't enough computers for it to be generally true, and at some point you no longer needed to know all about computers to successfully use a computer for the sorts of things the general population does.

"Young people know all about computers" was never true either. It was maybe true for people like you and me, the type of people who now frequent places like HN. But for the vast majority of people, computers were never all that interesting.

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post #141

A shame that Pangram flags this as AI. https://www.pangram.com/history/c0a9cde2-7a5c-4588-83a3-0269...

Given that I’m the author, I promise you I’m a real human. It’s not AI. Obviously there’s a rise in pure AI writing but I find these sort of services that “analyze” content more harmful than good.

It is interesting that your recent posts have much more LLM style tics than your post on the same site from 2023. Are you deliberately imitating LLM writing quirks?

Re: We Are the Last People Who Know How It Works

#206

> You opened files like autoexec.bat and you read them. Sometimes you built a boot disk for a single game. A floppy whose entire reason to exist was to start the computer in the configuration that one program demanded. Is the premise here correct? I'm not sure that I'm convinced that a 1990s computer user who knew how to edit autoexec.bat or insert a floppy to boot their computer "knew how it worked" in a meaningful…

This isn't said enough.

The most vocal demographic on HN right now is not the nerds. The entrepreneurs and grifters are desperate to find footing somewhere. They continue to double down on the alleged impact of "AI" and are now asking that their followers remember the moments they are most nostalgic for, assume everyone else was doing what they were back then (fumbling and confused), and ignore all the rest of history.

Re: We Are the Last People Who Know How It Works

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I recently had a run-in with security restrictions at work that only blocked the abstraction layer at the top, and were utterly surprised to discover that if you go down one level none of their restrictions did anything.

They eventually decided to keep their head in the sand and pretend like their restriction was useful.

The issue was a complete lack of knowledge of how the system actually worked one layer down.

Re: We Are the Last People Who Know How It Works

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post #197
post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, that person is just the only one in his family who knows how computers work. There's plenty of people in generations both older and younger that know too, just apparently not his parents or his kids. Some of the most impressive assembly written today is by people younger than 20. It'll be fine.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/h8ElOpITBjQ > It was a Minecraft convention. We had the game set up with a keyboard, and a controller. By the 2nd day we realized, none of the kids could use a keyboard. So on the 2nd day we set up two controllers instead. > Then I noticed something else. We counted it. 50% of the kids would come up to the console, push the controller out of the way, and try to touch the screen.

I never felt more violated than when a coworker 15 years younger than me started to touch my work laptop screen.

I mean, she was right, it turned out to be a touch screen, but really who does something like that?

Re: We Are the Last People Who Know How It Works

#209

A shame that Pangram flags this as AI. https://www.pangram.com/history/c0a9cde2-7a5c-4588-83a3-0269...

I submitted a few of my papers from grad school (long before LLMs or so-called "AI" existed) and they were flagged as being ~70% AI.

Re: We Are the Last People Who Know How It Works

#210

>The difficulty was the knowledge. Please write your blog posts yourself. I don't want to have to parse through this stupid claude output to get to your point. Literally just posting the prompt would be better than this.

Hmmmm, I didn't read that as AI. What gives?

Perhaps that's a you issue? but it has tells all throughout the text.
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