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America shot a bunch of people in the 1700s protesting the King of England
No, the colonies didn't protest the rebelled . The colonies procured arms, raised an army, and fought attempts by the British to reassert control. It wasn't a protest, it was a war.
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No, the colonies didn't protest the rebelled . The colonies procured arms, raised an army, and fought attempts by the British to reassert control. It wasn't a protest, it was a war.
Are there wars where one party isnt protesting?
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It's not illegal "because you think its illegal", it's illegal because "you had a court order to provide things that are relevant and you instead hid things you thought were relevant". If I hide someone who I think did a crime to help them escape police, I've now implicated myself in the crime, whether or not my trying to hide them actually caused them to get away with it.
The crimes here are the injuring of an officer, and causing a disturbance near the ICE facility. How could the zines be evidence for those crimes?
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Responsibility is a separate question from correctly reporting on the events that occurred. "A protestor shot someone" is correct, "a protestor shot someone and the group is culpable" could be argued, but "the protestors shot someone" is simply untrue.
No, it's entirely viable to say a group of people did something. E.g. "a lynch mob killed ______." Sure only one member of the mob actually tied the noose, but the mob as a collective took that action.
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Nobody conspired to shoot a cop. People just happened to exert their First Amendment rights close to where it happened and got punished for speaking the wrong kind of speech.
Sure, sure. The initial attack and then the shooting were just an accident. Come on, man. It was a conspiracy to shoot a cop. How do you not realize this?
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The crimes here are the injuring of an officer, and causing a disturbance near the ICE facility. How could the zines be evidence for those crimes?
Easily? Documents that could speak to the accused intentions, plans and motivations seem very pertinent to an investigation. They may or may not actually contain evidence, but they certainly seem related enough that police obtaining a search warrant for them is reasonable.
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Why don't you just name a country that voted its way out of fascism.
That's not what you said. However, Italy is a country that did recover from fascism. It seems like you are more interested in being a doomer than engaging in good faith discussion. I'll pass on the defeatist doom porn.
As to this doomer nonsense I only said you can't vote your way out of fascism, there are other ways to escape fascism.
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No, it's entirely viable to say a group of people did something. E.g. "a lynch mob killed ______." Sure only one member of the mob actually tied the noose, but the mob as a collective took that action.
"one can say a group took an action in some cases, so it must be right to say a group took an action in this case" is not compelling.
I'll remind you about 1972: https://status451.com/2017/01/20/days-of-rage/ “People have completely forgotten that in 1972 we had over nineteen hundred domestic bombings in the United States.” — Max Noel, FBI (ret.) Current times aren't even that spicy.