I really don't want the sunrise time to be 5:00 in the morning and still not have any daylight to do errands after work. I don't care what the reasons are, but if seasons change the sunset time, what's so wrong with changing it a bit more?
Study suggests most Americans would be healthier without daylight saving time (2025)
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Re: Study suggests most Americans would be healthier without daylight saving time (2025)
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You've said this repeatedly, but it is largely not true.
Elaborate. The intent of DST is to normalize variations in the time of sunrise between summer and winter. Places closer to the equator have minimal variation in the time of sunrise between seasons. They don't need DST. Higher latitudes have large variation (i.e. Seattle, where the time of sunrise shifts between 4am in summer to 8am in winter), so they benefit from DST or summer/winter hours. DST is one of the simples…
The intent of DST was to conserve energy by moving daylight into the evening hours. However, it turned out that people need light in the morning, too, and that DST had no effect on overall energy usage.
So, why not end this failed experiment and return to how it was before?
And please let's go with standard time, i.e. where the sun is at its highest point around the 12:00 o'clock mark.
Office hours are a lame excuse as most modern jobs - especially those of people on this site - surely allow flexible time. And even if not, every company is free to adjust office hours during the year - as it's already done in e.g. Turkey since they got rid of DST. Same with school hours, store opening hours, etc. - I'm pretty sure they will adjust where needed.
If you like disturbing your sleep cycle twice a year so much, feel free to change the wakeup time on your alarm clock whenever you wish.
(If it weren’t such a hassle with date changes, I'd vote for world-wide UTC, btw. And I'd love some unified decimal date/time system even more.)
Re: Study suggests most Americans would be healthier without daylight saving time (2025)
#133My controversial idea: midnight should be where current 4AM is because 04:00 is the lowest point of human circadian rhythm. Currently we have nonsense like "1AM is technically a part of the next day but for all practical purposes it's still the previous day". Also, 24h clock should be the standard so that we can avoid discussions "is 12AM noon or midnight".
Spend enough time out late in Japan, and you'll see hour 24, 25, even 26.
Re: Study suggests most Americans would be healthier without daylight saving time (2025)
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This just seems like a backwards justification. There is nothing wrong with a 9am sunrise or a 4:11am sunrise. People in Anchorage deal with both just fine. > I am not awake at 4am, I have no use for sunlight at 4am Most people aren’t awake at 5am either. Your use for the sun when there is an excess of it that goes well past your bedtime if you get up at 5am is irrelevant.
My work starts at 9am, therefore I wake up around 7am. My work start time does not adjust based on the seasons. Any sun before 7am is wasted for me. Under DST, at summer solstice, the sun rises around 5am, giving me 2 hours of wasted sunlight. Without DST, at summer solstice, the sun rises around 4am, giving me 3 hours of wasted sunlight. I enjoy having additional hours of sunlight when I am awake, so for me I actual…
In the meanwhile I know enough people who wake up super early to walk their dogs, or to work out, or you know, to go to their work which opens at 6:30. Do they not count?
Re: Study suggests most Americans would be healthier without daylight saving time (2025)
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At first glance, seems most of those are closer to the Equator than Western Europe. The exceptions I see are Russia and Kazakhstan.
Most countries are closer to the equator than European countries. And Spain is on the same latitude as Turkmenistan.
Re: Study suggests most Americans would be healthier without daylight saving time (2025)
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> Please name some of these countries According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time_by_countr... since 2000: Paraguay 2024 Iran 2022 Jordan 2022 Syria 2022 Fiji 2021 Samoa 2021 Brazil 2019 Morocco 2018 Western Sahara 2018 Namibia 2017 Tonga 2017 Mongolia 2016 Turkey 2016 Azerbaijan 2015 Uruguay 2015 Russia 2014 Libya 2013 Armenia 2011 Belarus 2010 Falklands 2010 Argentina 2009 Bangladesh 2009 Maurit…
At first glance, seems most of those are closer to the Equator than Western Europe. The exceptions I see are Russia and Kazakhstan.
Re: Study suggests most Americans would be healthier without daylight saving time (2025)
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I live in a hot desert climate where most of the daytime during summer is inhospitable to human activities. We also do not observe DST at all, and that makes us a red-headed stepchild in America. I have longed for a system here where summertime means a 12-hour DST: everyone sleeps all day and then goes to work/school in the coolness and darkness of nighttime. I absolutely love chilling outside in the dark when the lo…
> I live in a hot desert climate where most of the daytime during summer is inhospitable to human activities. I live in a hot/humid subtropical where most of the daytime in summer is likewise inhospitable to human activities. I too long to be nocturnal in summer, though here it doesn't cool down as much at night.
Re: Study suggests most Americans would be healthier without daylight saving time (2025)
#138My controversial idea: midnight should be where current 4AM is because 04:00 is the lowest point of human circadian rhythm. Currently we have nonsense like "1AM is technically a part of the next day but for all practical purposes it's still the previous day". Also, 24h clock should be the standard so that we can avoid discussions "is 12AM noon or midnight".
I live in a hot desert climate where most of the daytime during summer is inhospitable to human activities. We also do not observe DST at all, and that makes us a red-headed stepchild in America. I have longed for a system here where summertime means a 12-hour DST: everyone sleeps all day and then goes to work/school in the coolness and darkness of nighttime. I absolutely love chilling outside in the dark when the lo…
Re: Study suggests most Americans would be healthier without daylight saving time (2025)
#139Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, it is intended for a small band of places where the latitude is big enough to make winter and summer daytime length significantly different, but not so different that DST does nothing. In Sweden, with DST, the sunrise is at 4am in summer and 8am in winter. Just set it so noon is actually noon.
> In Sweden, with DST, the sunrise is at 4am in summer and 8am in winter. In Sweden, in summer without DST, sunrise in Stockholm would happen ~2:30 AM. In the current system, with DST, sunrise happens around 3:30 AM, an improvement. In winter, if Sweden kept permanent DST (which is what many advocate for), sunrise in December would happen at around 9:45 AM. In the current system (shifting time back during winter), it…