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Study suggests most Americans would be healthier without daylight saving time (2025)

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Re: Study suggests most Americans would be healthier without daylight saving time (2025)

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Post by yubblegum »

tristanj wrote: post #96
reedf1 wrote: post #89

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What people usually mean by abolishing DST is permanent summer hours. If your problem was sunrise timing, then problem solved - DST actually moves that earlier than you require twice a year for normal working hours (i.e. less sun in the evenings). Source: my own high latitude life.

Abolishing DST for permanent summer hours don't address the winter sunrise issue. Under permanent DST, the sun rises around 9 AM in December in Seattle. That's far too late. I, and millions of other people, do not want to wake up 2 hours before sunrise and drive to work in the dark. Under the current system (DST reverts back during winter), sunrise is shifted an hour earlier to around 8AM, which is manageable. I don'…

If the morning commute is the only issue, then it is likely that in the relatively near future (all things being equal) work life may revert back to its pre-automobile mode where your work was either at home or fairly close to your home. That may end DST.

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Post by apexalpha »

literalAardvark wrote: post #100
apexalpha wrote: post #95

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I live in the Netherlands. In the summer the suns up at 5 am. But at 5am I am asleep. I could get up earlier but that's pointless since school and work doesn't start until 8.30. So in stead of having an hour of sunlight before school and work we all change our clocks to have an hour of extra sunlight in the evening in stead, which fits our cultural preference for social activities. We could also, as you say, change e…

So change it... just permanently. GMT+2 will always be there for you.

Then sun rises at 9am in the winter, which is too late.

Our daylight moves with the seaons. So therefor our clock does as well.

I understand some countries that are much closer to the equator might question it now but for us it just makes sense.

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Post by gonzalohm »

jsdalton wrote: post #86
ekidd wrote: post #63

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Yeah, as someone who lives in Vermont, you could talk me into permanent DST. That would move the winter sunset from, say, 4:21pm to 5:21pm, which would mean I'd get enough twilight for a short walk after work. And Maine is even further east and north in the same time zone, so they have an even earlier sunset. On the other hand, Vermont's standard time sunrise around 7:20 is reasonable enough. Parts of Vermont have tr…

Permanent DST is just a synonym for "let's all agree to wake up an hour earlier." The same change could be affected by e.g. schools and businesses agreeing to open at 8am instead of 9am. (Of course that would be wildly unpopular so permanent DST is just way to trick people into swallowing the pill.) But would behavior change in the long run? Countries like Spain where solar noon differs wildly from clock noon just en…

People may adjust their eating times or leisure activities, but work is 9 to 5. It's amazing to have almost 5 hours of sunlight after work

Re: Study suggests most Americans would be healthier without daylight saving time (2025)

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Post by [deleted] »

tanin wrote: post #90

With DST, there are actually 2 new concepts: ambiguous time (if the clock rolls back) and invalid time (if the clock jumps forward). Java and Ruby work differently. Java would simply round the invalid time to the closest valid time IIRC. Ruby would accurately raise the InvalidTime exception. Same behaviors for an ambiguous time. Chile is actually the country that will cause tricky issue in a system because they adjus…

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Post by frollogaston »

rrr_oh_man wrote: post #51
lnsru wrote: post #12

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Please name some of these countries. Europe is stuck with this nonsense and there is no hope in sight despite yearly polls showing majority people being against it.

> Please name some of these countries According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time_by_countr... since 2000: Paraguay 2024 Iran 2022 Jordan 2022 Syria 2022 Fiji 2021 Samoa 2021 Brazil 2019 Morocco 2018 Western Sahara 2018 Namibia 2017 Tonga 2017 Mongolia 2016 Turkey 2016 Azerbaijan 2015 Uruguay 2015 Russia 2014 Libya 2013 Armenia 2011 Belarus 2010 Falklands 2010 Argentina 2009 Bangladesh 2009 Maurit…

At first glance, seems most of those are closer to the Equator than Western Europe. The exceptions I see are Russia and Kazakhstan.

Re: Study suggests most Americans would be healthier without daylight saving time (2025)

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Post by rrr_oh_man »

frollogaston wrote: post #127
rrr_oh_man wrote: post #51

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> Please name some of these countries According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time_by_countr... since 2000: Paraguay 2024 Iran 2022 Jordan 2022 Syria 2022 Fiji 2021 Samoa 2021 Brazil 2019 Morocco 2018 Western Sahara 2018 Namibia 2017 Tonga 2017 Mongolia 2016 Turkey 2016 Azerbaijan 2015 Uruguay 2015 Russia 2014 Libya 2013 Armenia 2011 Belarus 2010 Falklands 2010 Argentina 2009 Bangladesh 2009 Maurit…

At first glance, seems most of those are closer to the Equator than Western Europe. The exceptions I see are Russia and Kazakhstan.

Most countries are closer to the equator than European countries.

And Spain is on the same latitude as Turkmenistan.

Re: Study suggests most Americans would be healthier without daylight saving time (2025)

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Post by NoGravitas »

ButlerianJihad wrote: post #115
anal_reactor wrote: post #59

My controversial idea: midnight should be where current 4AM is because 04:00 is the lowest point of human circadian rhythm. Currently we have nonsense like "1AM is technically a part of the next day but for all practical purposes it's still the previous day". Also, 24h clock should be the standard so that we can avoid discussions "is 12AM noon or midnight".

I live in a hot desert climate where most of the daytime during summer is inhospitable to human activities. We also do not observe DST at all, and that makes us a red-headed stepchild in America. I have longed for a system here where summertime means a 12-hour DST: everyone sleeps all day and then goes to work/school in the coolness and darkness of nighttime. I absolutely love chilling outside in the dark when the lo…

> I live in a hot desert climate where most of the daytime during summer is inhospitable to human activities.

I live in a hot/humid subtropical where most of the daytime in summer is likewise inhospitable to human activities. I too long to be nocturnal in summer, though here it doesn't cool down as much at night.

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