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EU commissioners shut down air conditioning for employees, leave theirs on

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Re: EU commissioners shut down air conditioning for employees, leave theirs on

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Most ordinary working people can't afford the cost of installing a system. Even a portable one. Edit: Downvoted because HN users don't understand living paycheque to paycheque. Talk about an echo chamber.

A 12K BTU mini-split system is about 300EUR. How is this unaffordable for most people? Even an 18K unit is about 500-600EUR.

Where? The only mobile split unit i can find is 899

Re: EU commissioners shut down air conditioning for employees, leave theirs on

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Why the fuck does extreme heat require turning off the AC?

The A/C cannot keep up the load, due to the exteme heat. So they decided to just not cool one part of the building, to be able to keep cooling the other part .. It is now interesting who was in which part ;)

Clearly those in floors 1->7 were less important and thus allowed to take the day off and/or work remotely, right?

Re: EU commissioners shut down air conditioning for employees, leave theirs on

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In the past with harmful refrigerants and lack of renewable energy AC simply was not justifiable in most of Europe. Progress on both fronts plus global warming is changing that only recently.

On the bright side they’ve probably waited long enough to roll out heat pumps instead of window ACs, right?

As far as I know, a heat pump and an AC unit are essentially identical. Although some heat pumps can be reversed, and act as heaters in the winter. But one isn't more efficient than the other, they employ the exact same physical refrigeration cycle.

Re: EU commissioners shut down air conditioning for employees, leave theirs on

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Something is very wrong with the EU if ordinary Europeans can't afford a $150 window unit.

It's not the money. In many places you need to go through permitting to get it and they do not want to give it to you. Often you also need a signed approval from every person in the building.

so yes something is very wrong

Re: EU commissioners shut down air conditioning for employees, leave theirs on

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> unnaturally high temperatures > poor planning. > very common in UK supermarkets every summer. What?

Global warming keeps making the temperature unnaturaly high, don't tell me you didn't hear about it.

If it's every summer, how is it unnatural? If it's poor planning how is it every summer? There's poor planning and then there's ... what, forgetting that summer happens? It sounds to me like somebody sat down and penciled in some numbers and decided that "it makes less money to let it break?" which seems pretty weird when you consider second-order stuff (but it's not like people tend to do that anyway)

Re: EU commissioners shut down air conditioning for employees, leave theirs on

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post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Something is very wrong with the EU if ordinary Europeans can't afford a $150 window unit.

It's not the money. In many places you need to go through permitting to get it and they do not want to give it to you. Often you also need a signed approval from every person in the building.

There is something very wrong in the EU if installing a life saving window air conditioner requires a permit or signed approval from every person in the building.

Re: EU commissioners shut down air conditioning for employees, leave theirs on

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The first image is telling: A glass building in front of a white hard-floor plaza with just one small tree for shade Nothing specific to the European commission though, we just don't hate mainstream architects enough

It's not exactly the Council of Elrond. It's appropriate for the design to be closer to Barad-dûr than Rivendell.

If we're pulling LotR references, a white plaza with one tree is the Court of the Fountain at the top of Minas Tirith

Re: EU commissioners shut down air conditioning for employees, leave theirs on

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the bright side they’ve probably waited long enough to roll out heat pumps instead of window ACs, right?

As far as I know, a heat pump and an AC unit are essentially identical. Although some heat pumps can be reversed, and act as heaters in the winter. But one isn't more efficient than the other, they employ the exact same physical refrigeration cycle.

I think GP's point is that winter heating can shift to nuclear- and wind-powered instead of mostly burning fossil fuels.

Re: EU commissioners shut down air conditioning for employees, leave theirs on

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> The heat wave has prompted a renewed discussion about the lack of air-conditioning systems in homes and offices across much of Europe Discussion, common sense requires discussion. All you need to know about them in one sentence.

Some of the discussion going online, has asserted that heat related deaths in Europe exceed gun related deaths in the USA by some margin. If true, it has been ignored as a problem for too long.

Re: EU commissioners shut down air conditioning for employees, leave theirs on

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> Due to extreme weather conditions, forced shut down of air cooling system from floor 1 to 7 for the rest of the day It's like satire. What is AC for if not extreme heat?

Historically temperatures above 30C (86F) were rare in Europe, so thats what many ACs are sized for. Now they face 40C (104F), and many AC installations can't keep up Shutting down AC on floors 1 to 7 likely allows them to get better performance on floors 8 to 13

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