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Re: We moved our Bluesky data to Eurosky

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Post by steveklabnik »

dotcoma wrote: post #12
skybrian wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the plan, but to get to actual decentralization, one of the steps is for more people to actually move their PDS's somewhere other than Bluesky. (They are not self-hosting; Eurosky is doing it.)

But... if Waag are not self-hosting, and they're not, how likely is it that normal people will start doing so in relatively large numbers?

An important part of how this works is that you don't have to make that choice right away.

I've been meaning to move to my own PDS for a few months now. Still haven't. Whenever I decide to get around to it, it'll be fine.

Re: We moved our Bluesky data to Eurosky

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Post by busterarm »

pelagicAustral wrote: post #2

I'm left wondering if maybe all the years I spend tinkering with Linux servers and self-hosted infrastructure are just about to pay off big time now that there is a massive move for governments and institutions to take control of their infrastructure... You still pretty much need a human to spin and maintain infrastructure, wire things securely, and monitor... Now I just need to wait until someone rebrands sysop into…

I do this at significant scale and you need a high tolerance for a lot of different negatives to last doing it for governments (and adjacent).

The only exception to this rule I would say is AWS GovCloud, which also might be one of the only chill teams to work at across Amazon. It turns out having "only one way to do it", a system proved through a rigorous vetting process and a thoroughly worked-through contracting process leads to a pretty fantastic work environment for practitioners.

Trying to reimplement that piecemeal is for tougher men than me though. I think I'd rather sit on hot nails.

Re: We moved our Bluesky data to Eurosky

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Post by Munksgaard »

jacobgold wrote: post #15
dotcoma wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the internet, DNS, email, and the web were largely built by VC-backed companies Really ?

There were famously government and university programs that played important early roles too. But it was largely people working for companies that actually built these systems. What organizations do you think created the switches, routers, servers, software, fiber optic backbones? Who created the new protocols? It was companies like AT&T/Bell Labs, Cisco, 3Com, Sun, UUNET, Netscape, AOL, the major telecoms, and a tho…

How many of those organizations you named were VC-backed?

Re: We moved our Bluesky data to Eurosky

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Post by JdeBP »

dotcoma wrote: post #13
jacobgold wrote: post #11

This is great. The entire idea of AT is that users can move their data for any reason. We want more of this. But I do think it's always worth pushing back a bit on this idea: > "The way Bluesky is funded is at odds with the idea of decentralisation because the platform relies on venture capital and operates under a shareholder model." Large decentralized infrastructure like the internet, DNS, email, and the web was l…

> the internet, DNS, email, and the web were largely built by VC-backed companies Really ?

I am sure that DARPA, BBN, USC Information Sciences Institute, and many others will be overjoyed to learn that they've been erased from history by the new narrative that Venture Capitalists Built Everything. (-:

Re: We moved our Bluesky data to Eurosky

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Post by rafterydj »

dotcoma wrote: post #13
jacobgold wrote: post #11

This is great. The entire idea of AT is that users can move their data for any reason. We want more of this. But I do think it's always worth pushing back a bit on this idea: > "The way Bluesky is funded is at odds with the idea of decentralisation because the platform relies on venture capital and operates under a shareholder model." Large decentralized infrastructure like the internet, DNS, email, and the web was l…

> the internet, DNS, email, and the web were largely built by VC-backed companies Really ?

Yeah that raised my eyebrow as well. "Popularized" maybe, but "largely built" I think is a mis-characterization.

Re: We moved our Bluesky data to Eurosky

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Post by busterarm »

Angostura wrote: post #16
impulser_ wrote: post #14

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You have to be pretty spicy if you are getting banned from Reddit, as opposed to being modded. In the later case, you can set up your own subreddit, surely?

You're proposing a fiction that there is functionally any difference. Migrating a subreddit is a large community effort and rarely if ever happens over just one ban.

If you're banned from a subreddit for X, which famously happens for often the thinnest of reasonings, you're effectively out of the online community around X. For some subreddits this even has real-world implications. You don't have to be the least bit spicy to do this. Often you just have to have commented (at all) in a different subreddit that a mod doesn't like.

Re: We moved our Bluesky data to Eurosky

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Post by jacobgold »

Munksgaard wrote: post #24
jacobgold wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There were famously government and university programs that played important early roles too. But it was largely people working for companies that actually built these systems. What organizations do you think created the switches, routers, servers, software, fiber optic backbones? Who created the new protocols? It was companies like AT&T/Bell Labs, Cisco, 3Com, Sun, UUNET, Netscape, AOL, the major telecoms, and a tho…

How many of those organizations you named were VC-backed?

Cisco, backed early by Sequoia.

3Com, raised $1.1M from three venture capitalists in 1981.

Sun, a Kleiner Perkins portfolio company.

UUNET, raised from Accel, Menlo, and NEA in 1993.

Netscape, backed by Kleiner Perkins.

AOL, backed by Kleiner Perkins.

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