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Because of Digital Sovereignty concerns?
You don't think anyone in EU bureaucracy has any concerns regarding Digital Sovereignty, do you?
If this can win elections, then why not?
European digital ID wallets rely on safety services of Google and Apple
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Re: European digital ID wallets rely on safety services of Google and Apple
#122Digital single market, digital sovereignty and all those nice words...
Re: European digital ID wallets rely on safety services of Google and Apple
#123The EU reference for wallets strictly required google play services https://github.com/eu-digital-identity-wallet/eudi-app-andro... So Italy's IO app https://github.com/pagopa/io-app (wallet, documents, age verification) continuously refuses the users' request for GrapheneOS support and requires google. Nothing will change until the lawsuits start coming in. The only hope is the motorola/grapheneOS collaboration and…
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#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not 1% here though... Graphene has 300k users worldwide. There's 8 million absolutely illiterate and 150 million functionally illiterate people in Europe for comparison on scale here.
150 million functionally illiterate people in Europe? Just how is that defined?
Why are you surprised? Europe has 700 million people. Think of the average construction worker you know, do you think they could read and correctly summarize any moderately complex article? Think an article about inflation or evolution or heat pumps or investment funds, etc.
Fairly sure that in most countries the average person reads less than 1 book per year, so half of the population reads less than that. I know people who haven't read a book since highschool, when they were forced to.
Re: European digital ID wallets rely on safety services of Google and Apple
#125The EU reference for wallets strictly required google play services https://github.com/eu-digital-identity-wallet/eudi-app-andro... So Italy's IO app https://github.com/pagopa/io-app (wallet, documents, age verification) continuously refuses the users' request for GrapheneOS support and requires google. Nothing will change until the lawsuits start coming in. The only hope is the motorola/grapheneOS collaboration and…
Special-casing support for GrapheneOS would be a band-aid, they should find a way to avoid requiring remote attestation in the first place, so anyone can use whatever OS they like on whatever hardware they like.
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#126A little off topic, but does anybody else think that all these attacks on personal freedoms across the western world are very coordinated? Suddenly all countries are making social media ban under 16 laws. Same goes for centralized digital currency push.
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#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not 1% here though... Graphene has 300k users worldwide. There's 8 million absolutely illiterate and 150 million functionally illiterate people in Europe for comparison on scale here.
150 million functionally illiterate people in Europe? Just how is that defined?
Especially as it's claimed to be only 50 Million in the US hahahahahaha
Whoever believes those statistics I have a strait to sell to
Re: European digital ID wallets rely on safety services of Google and Apple
#128Why cant EU have something like Adhar (ID-verification for Indians) https://uidai.gov.in/en/ It captures biometrics and is used across India to easily verify identification using OTP on mobile. Used across almost every sphere - bank accounts, passport, financial services like stocks/mutual funds etc. You get a unique adhar-id (or can generate virtual IDs if sharing temporarily) to verify your identity across any serv…
To paraphrase Napoleon - because India has the will to do it, and the EU does not.
Re: European digital ID wallets rely on safety services of Google and Apple
#129The EU reference for wallets strictly required google play services https://github.com/eu-digital-identity-wallet/eudi-app-andro... So Italy's IO app https://github.com/pagopa/io-app (wallet, documents, age verification) continuously refuses the users' request for GrapheneOS support and requires google. Nothing will change until the lawsuits start coming in. The only hope is the motorola/grapheneOS collaboration and…
The issue isn't just the technical dependency. It's also the fact that it forces each citizen to pay a few hundred Euros to companies which then campaign against their very rights. Citizens get no support of any kind in case of issues, and has to enter a contractual agreement which is ridiculously asymmetrical, where the company has little to no responsibility of any kind, but has very ample rights to track the other…
But ... the alternative is that the government actually pays a bit of money to fix the situation! To support their solutions. To actually develop them for enough devices. To secure them ... Plus the services the government made are way more invasive than the Google/Apple ones.
In addition to the money, actually using them would be hundreds of times more complex, and they don't have the provisions Google has, for example accessibility and security services (like actually stopping people stealing accounts on a large scale). All of this can be done, easily even, but it isn't. Politicians don't want to.
https://www.itsme-id.com/business/platform/identification
https://france-identite.gouv.fr/
https://english.rekenkamer.nl/latest/news/2023/03/29/digital...
Re: European digital ID wallets rely on safety services of Google and Apple
#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
> €2 billion over seven years to fund alternatives to proprietary software
I'll believe it when I'll see it, for now I haven't seen any of the Android forks (LineageOS, EOS, GrapheneOS...) or Linux OS (Phosh, Plasma mobile, Ubports, ...) get any funds from the EU.
You will see it when you look.