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Re: Replacing Systemd with OpenRC in Debian

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Post by pseudalopex »

simoncion wrote: post #103
s_ting765 wrote: post #49

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Partition autodiscovery is pretty neat. I did my archlinux install with it using this guide[0]. I have never touched /etc/fstab and I have had zero to worry about corrupting a boot with wrong fstab entries. [0] https://walian.co.uk/arch-install-with-secure-boot-btrfs-tpm...

My searches for "systemd partition autodiscovery" lead me to [0]. In the table labeled "Table 1. Partition Type GUIDs", we find this in the Explanation section for 'SD_GPT_HOME' The first partition with this type UUID on the same disk as the root partition is mounted to /home/. ...you can't spread your /home and / partitions on separate disks and use this? In fact, it looks like you can't use this autodetection unles…

> ...you can't spread your /home and / partitions on separate disks and use this? In fact, it looks like you can't use this autodetection unless all of the partitions of interest (including your /boot/) are on the same disk? Seriously?

How would it choose from 2 home partitions on other disks?

Re: Replacing Systemd with OpenRC in Debian

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Post by halJordan »

iamnothere wrote: post #138
7e wrote: post #136

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These are laws passed by democratically elected legislatures. It’s not a legal issue, it’s a political one. Ostensibly, the will of the people. But these wimpy geeks passively-aggressively protest by arguing about code online, instead of engaging in real political activism.

When lobbyists push legislators to enact laws that violate the Constitution, and voting differently does not resolve the problem, the next recourse is the jury box. Courts are a check on the other two branches.

You can't foist this on an ethereal other that we can just blame for all our ills. Pretending American democracy is somehow broken to the point voting doesn't work is an insane take. Especially because you literally watched republican grassroots vote in their man and he's giving them what he campaigned on to give them.

Pretending there's nothing to done is just an excuse to do nothing

Re: Replacing Systemd with OpenRC in Debian

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Post by ErroneousBosh »

shevy-java wrote: post #34
ErroneousBosh wrote: post #13

Interesting that it's kind of that simple. It looks almost like you could make a fairly straightforward fork that works with that, as long as they sysvinit packages are kept up-to-date. I have to say while I dislike systemd it hasn't annoyed me enough to send me down that route yet.

How about age sniffing though? :) https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/40954 Granted, this is not quite a thorough age sniffing requirement yet, but with the legislation in the USA and other countries currently changed, the operating system is de-jure forced to sniff off data from people and send it over to others, be it state agencies or companies. It's like the novel 1984 adapted to the modern days, but crap. Wi…

You can just compile it without that.

Re: Replacing Systemd with OpenRC in Debian

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Post by iamnothere »

halJordan wrote: post #142
iamnothere wrote: post #138

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When lobbyists push legislators to enact laws that violate the Constitution, and voting differently does not resolve the problem, the next recourse is the jury box. Courts are a check on the other two branches.

You can't foist this on an ethereal other that we can just blame for all our ills. Pretending American democracy is somehow broken to the point voting doesn't work is an insane take. Especially because you literally watched republican grassroots vote in their man and he's giving them what he campaigned on to give them. Pretending there's nothing to done is just an excuse to do nothing

I was just as unhappy with Biden, with Obama (by the end of his term), and with Bush. So no, voting doesn’t work.

Regardless of the face you put on the presidency, we are always going to have to fight for privacy and freedom at the grassroots level.

Fortunately, economic decline has brought with it a decline in state capacity, which does bring new problems, but enforcement is becoming an issue across the board. That’s a form of freedom, even if it sucks to deal with stuff like petty crime on a daily basis.

Re: Replacing Systemd with OpenRC in Debian

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Post by LtWorf »

ChocolateGod wrote: post #125
LtWorf wrote: post #119

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The commercial products can patch it then if they so wish.

The field does nothing when left untouched, which it is by default. If having the ability to set a piece of metadata worries you, don't set it.

One field doesn't worry me. IBM being in charge of a core linux component does.

Re: Replacing Systemd with OpenRC in Debian

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Post by mort96 »

ChocolateGod wrote: post #116
mort96 wrote: post #106

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The expressed intention behind adding the DoB field is to comply with age verification laws. Intent matters a whole lot here.

> comply with age verification laws Do you want the developers to ignore the law and in the case of companies like Red Hat etc be vulnerable to law suits?

I don't think there's anything SystemD has to do in order to comply with age verification laws. They could just ignore it. They're not an operating system.

Re: Replacing Systemd with OpenRC in Debian

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

yoggodoggo wrote: post #41
wolvoleo wrote: post #36

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Fragmentation is what makes Linux great imo. I'm not against systemd per se but I am against monoculture.

The Linux Kernel is a monolith.

They said monoculture. That said, I'll happily argue that the Linux monoculture is real and a problem.

Re: Replacing Systemd with OpenRC in Debian

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

nubinetwork wrote: post #99
_flux wrote: post #97

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Hmm, I perhaps didn't quite catch this. I thought having a generator would let you be less committed to it, as you wouldn't need to manually write all the init scripts you need.. ?

Writing a basic init script is less intensive than having to learn the entire "schema" for both script formats, which you'd probably want to know if you were writing the generator.

Writing a script is easy. But converting a whole system of .service files seems like a great time to automate.

Re: Replacing Systemd with OpenRC in Debian

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

unsungNovelty wrote: post #69

Alpine Linux and Void are the only mainstream enough distro I can think of as an interest for my planB. But I wonder how good Alpine is for desktop computing and development stuff. I know they have recently started shipping full DEs for desktop IIRC. Anyone with any experiences?

> Alpine Linux and Void are the only mainstream enough distro I can think of as an interest for my planB.

Consider Gentoo as well? They have decent binary package availability now which reduces the compilation needed.

> But I wonder how good Alpine is for desktop computing and development stuff. I know they have recently started shipping full DEs for desktop IIRC.

How do you mean? You can install whatever graphical system you want on Alpine. I've got Alpine boxes running i3 and KDE, which seems like the full spectrum.

> Anyone with any experiences?

Alpine is great. I've run it on desktops, laptops, headless, and a Steam Deck and it's been mostly a good time. As you kinda allude to, it really shines on underpowered machines by being so light.

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