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Re: Studio Canal Movies purchased on PlayStation Store removed without refund

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Post by jon-wood »

mghackerlady wrote: post #7

Why do people buy movies digitally anyway? I can understand digital movies (they are convenient) but renting or streaming seems far more reasonable. If you truly want to own a movie as I suspect people who buy them digitally do, the only way to ensure that is to buy it on DVD/Blu-ray and rip (or redeem the digital code version that often comes with modern releases, though those tend to have DRM). Even then, why do pe…

Because I’m actually not going to lose much sleep if Apple revoke my license for the Lord of the Rings trilogy, and given I’ve had digital purchases from them since [checks notes] literally two decades ago and not one of them has to my knowledge been revoked I’m reasonably comfortable that they’ll probably stick around for as long as I do, after which I’m going to rapidly cease caring about my collection of films and TV.

Re: Studio Canal Movies purchased on PlayStation Store removed without refund

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Post by mrguyorama »

xienze wrote: post #24
mghackerlady wrote: post #7

Why do people buy movies digitally anyway? I can understand digital movies (they are convenient) but renting or streaming seems far more reasonable. If you truly want to own a movie as I suspect people who buy them digitally do, the only way to ensure that is to buy it on DVD/Blu-ray and rip (or redeem the digital code version that often comes with modern releases, though those tend to have DRM). Even then, why do pe…

> Why do people buy movies digitally anyway? I can understand digital movies (they are convenient) but renting or streaming seems far more reasonable. If you truly want to own a movie as I suspect people who buy them digitally do, the only way to ensure that is to buy it on DVD/Blu-ray and rip You're forgetting there's a slice of people who want to "own" a movie library but don't have the technical acumen to rip and/…

Owning a shelf and a blueray player requires zero "Technical acumen" and gets you far cheaper media than any of the online services, but requires you to plan at least a couple days ahead of time. That's the crux.

People are willing to give up everything for not having to wait a couple days to watch a movie.

Re: Studio Canal Movies purchased on PlayStation Store removed without refund

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Post by cubefox »

I'm confused why everyone here seems to accept that this just happens when you buy digital-only content. What if Sony deleted previously bought games? Or Valve? I don't think people would just shrug it off and say "you should always buy physical".

I'm surprised this is even legal without doing a refund or transferring the digital rights to an alternative service.

Re: Studio Canal Movies purchased on PlayStation Store removed without refund

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Post by threetonesun »

Anechoic wrote: post #79
dingaling wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DVD perhaps yes, until the disc degrades. BluRay no, because your player's keys can be revoked when you pop in a new disc.

DVD perhaps yes, until the disc degrades. Which is the same constraint as pretty much any other physical item one might purchase. "reasonably a forever" is a reasonable description.

I know it's not the point you're making but I would enjoy a post-apocalyptic post-AI movie where they pass on the lesson of the dangers of AI through an oral recounting or stage production of T2.

Re: Studio Canal Movies purchased on PlayStation Store removed without refund

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Post by mvanbaak »

madduci wrote: post #26
TheCondor wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A friend and I were talking about this. What would you pay for it? When iTunes + came out, you had 2 options, you could buy a song for $0.99 or you could be the plus version for more, I don't remember but it was like $1.35 or something. Plus had a higher bit rate and it wasn't encrypted. Suppose you could buy a movie for $12.00, how much would you pay for the forever version? $30?

If I buy a DVD, it costs a fixed price. Why should it be variable, if we talk about digital media? Storage and content streaming is cheaper than embracing a whole logistic (producing DVDs/BlueRays, packaging, shipping). But here we are again: if you buy something digital, you just pay for a "usage license", you don't own anything at all. After all these years or decades, I am still surprised that people expect to own…

There's a big difference between owning content, and having access to download content. The problem here is that you were not buying a version you could download and store on your system, and just play it back with whatever. So you 'bought' it while it was still under their control etc.

But like so many other comments here state: it's very much a known fact that 'buying' something like this is just renting it for a short time period. We must keep fighting for them to actually state this in bold text before you pay them.

Re: Studio Canal Movies purchased on PlayStation Store removed without refund

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Post by jmull »

madduci wrote: post #26
TheCondor wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A friend and I were talking about this. What would you pay for it? When iTunes + came out, you had 2 options, you could buy a song for $0.99 or you could be the plus version for more, I don't remember but it was like $1.35 or something. Plus had a higher bit rate and it wasn't encrypted. Suppose you could buy a movie for $12.00, how much would you pay for the forever version? $30?

If I buy a DVD, it costs a fixed price. Why should it be variable, if we talk about digital media? Storage and content streaming is cheaper than embracing a whole logistic (producing DVDs/BlueRays, packaging, shipping). But here we are again: if you buy something digital, you just pay for a "usage license", you don't own anything at all. After all these years or decades, I am still surprised that people expect to own…

> I am still surprised that people expect to own digital content, forever

Well, that's how it's sold. The buttons say something like "Rent"/"Buy" not "Short Term Rental"/"Indeterminate Term Rental".

To be an internet consumer you have to have some level of confidence in the good faith of the seller, including that the basic description of what's being sold is accurate. Otherwise, you wouldn't consider sending your money at all. Probably most people see "Sony" and trust that brand not to scam them.

But so as much anymore.

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Post by burnte »

Netcob wrote: post #82
TheCondor wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A friend and I were talking about this. What would you pay for it? When iTunes + came out, you had 2 options, you could buy a song for $0.99 or you could be the plus version for more, I don't remember but it was like $1.35 or something. Plus had a higher bit rate and it wasn't encrypted. Suppose you could buy a movie for $12.00, how much would you pay for the forever version? $30?

Depends on what those $12 "buy" me. In Sony's case, "buying" meant "renting until Sony's license expires", which they could have displayed on the product page. I very rarely re-watch movies within a few months. So if I buy one, I want to know that I can watch it again in one, 10 or 30 years (if the format can still be played). Which is not guaranteed even with blu-rays mostly thanks to DRM. But what I'd be buying is…

My problem is that they told me *I* was buying a license. I didn't know I was actually buying a sublicense that was dependent upon Sony's.

I didn't buy any of the show, but that's the core here. Sony lied.

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Post by toast0 »

mghackerlady wrote: post #86
eduction wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Why do people buy movies digitally anyway? I can understand digital movies (they are convenient) You answered your own question very efficiently.

Right, but I was referring to the concept of watching a movie digitally in general , whether that be streaming, renting, buying, torrenting, ripping, whatever. My question is why do people buy movies digitally as opposed to any of those other options

It's hard to find newer movies on laserdisc, vhs, or home film projection, so analog is out.

I buy or rent media from online services occassionaly. Much content I would like to watch isn't on subscription platforms, or is sometimes on streaming platforms I don't want to use. Some content isn't available to rent, and some content I feel like I'm likely to watch more than once. I prefer to buy discs, but some discs are difficult to obtain and sometimes I don't want to wait. When the buy price isn't much more than the rent price, I consider it. Or if I have amazon credits to use.

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Post by js2 »

TheCondor wrote: post #14
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #10

> due to our content licensing agreements Aka, due to their mistake . When Sony originally signed an agreement, they should have insisted on a perpetual license for anything already in the customer's library. I was initially inclined toward some minimal sympathy for Sony here, but I see no good faith reason why they'd sign a licensing agreement which allows the other party to do this.

A friend and I were talking about this. What would you pay for it? When iTunes + came out, you had 2 options, you could buy a song for $0.99 or you could be the plus version for more, I don't remember but it was like $1.35 or something. Plus had a higher bit rate and it wasn't encrypted. Suppose you could buy a movie for $12.00, how much would you pay for the forever version? $30?

$1.29 - https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2007/05/30Apple-Launches-iTun...

18 months later the entire library became DRM-free iTunes Plus quality and you could upgrade existing songs you had already purchased or that you had in your library via iTunes Match.

https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2009/01/06Changes-Coming-to-t...

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