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Re: Studio Canal Movies purchased on PlayStation Store removed without refund

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Post by jerf »

TheCondor wrote: post #14
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #10

> due to our content licensing agreements Aka, due to their mistake . When Sony originally signed an agreement, they should have insisted on a perpetual license for anything already in the customer's library. I was initially inclined toward some minimal sympathy for Sony here, but I see no good faith reason why they'd sign a licensing agreement which allows the other party to do this.

A friend and I were talking about this. What would you pay for it? When iTunes + came out, you had 2 options, you could buy a song for $0.99 or you could be the plus version for more, I don't remember but it was like $1.35 or something. Plus had a higher bit rate and it wasn't encrypted. Suppose you could buy a movie for $12.00, how much would you pay for the forever version? $30?

I feel like you're kind of making this more complicated than it actually is, either because you're overcomplicating it or because you're trying to tee up some rhetorical point, but the answer to your question is really quite simple and objective: https://www.amazon.com/s?k=movie&rh=p_n_format_browse-bin%3A...

You don't need to ask a hypothetical, the market has an answer.

To the extent your reply is "but that's not exactly what my question is", my point is that the market is already pricing all sorts of situations and the market would have no problem pricing just one more possibility into the already complicated market. Including "piracy", and people like me who are treating the vast majority of DVDs and BluRays as just a delivery mechanism for streams rather than "discs".

Re: Studio Canal Movies purchased on PlayStation Store removed without refund

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Post by nekusar »

TheCondor wrote: post #14
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #10

> due to our content licensing agreements Aka, due to their mistake . When Sony originally signed an agreement, they should have insisted on a perpetual license for anything already in the customer's library. I was initially inclined toward some minimal sympathy for Sony here, but I see no good faith reason why they'd sign a licensing agreement which allows the other party to do this.

A friend and I were talking about this. What would you pay for it? When iTunes + came out, you had 2 options, you could buy a song for $0.99 or you could be the plus version for more, I don't remember but it was like $1.35 or something. Plus had a higher bit rate and it wasn't encrypted. Suppose you could buy a movie for $12.00, how much would you pay for the forever version? $30?

Right now, I won't pay a fucking cent.

I'll pirate it off of Usenet or Torrents.

I get a strictly better experience if I pirate. Whereas I'm treated like a criminal and sold a much worse experience if I pay.

So, fuck paying. I'm not going to pay for abuse.

Re: Studio Canal Movies purchased on PlayStation Store removed without refund

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Post by com2kid »

mghackerlady wrote: post #7

Why do people buy movies digitally anyway? I can understand digital movies (they are convenient) but renting or streaming seems far more reasonable. If you truly want to own a movie as I suspect people who buy them digitally do, the only way to ensure that is to buy it on DVD/Blu-ray and rip (or redeem the digital code version that often comes with modern releases, though those tend to have DRM). Even then, why do pe…

I don't own any way to play physical disc media anymore, and for the handful of movies I watch multiple times (so far 2), it made sense to buy them.

I only buy through Amazon Videos, with the logic being Amazon is going to be around awhile.

Re: Studio Canal Movies purchased on PlayStation Store removed without refund

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Post by xienze »

mghackerlady wrote: post #7

Why do people buy movies digitally anyway? I can understand digital movies (they are convenient) but renting or streaming seems far more reasonable. If you truly want to own a movie as I suspect people who buy them digitally do, the only way to ensure that is to buy it on DVD/Blu-ray and rip (or redeem the digital code version that often comes with modern releases, though those tend to have DRM). Even then, why do pe…

> Why do people buy movies digitally anyway? I can understand digital movies (they are convenient) but renting or streaming seems far more reasonable. If you truly want to own a movie as I suspect people who buy them digitally do, the only way to ensure that is to buy it on DVD/Blu-ray and rip

You're forgetting there's a slice of people who want to "own" a movie library but don't have the technical acumen to rip and/or (more importantly) host (consider that you'd have to stand up a Jellyfin server and have a good amount of HDD space -- I personally have 50TB).

Again, it's not _that_ hard in general but daunting enough and with high enough startup costs to dissuade a lot of people.

Re: Studio Canal Movies purchased on PlayStation Store removed without refund

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Post by xienze »

com2kid wrote: post #23
mghackerlady wrote: post #7

Why do people buy movies digitally anyway? I can understand digital movies (they are convenient) but renting or streaming seems far more reasonable. If you truly want to own a movie as I suspect people who buy them digitally do, the only way to ensure that is to buy it on DVD/Blu-ray and rip (or redeem the digital code version that often comes with modern releases, though those tend to have DRM). Even then, why do pe…

I don't own any way to play physical disc media anymore, and for the handful of movies I watch multiple times (so far 2), it made sense to buy them. I only buy through Amazon Videos, with the logic being Amazon is going to be around awhile.

> I only buy through Amazon Videos, with the logic being Amazon is going to be around awhile.

Sony will be around a while too, but as you've just seen here, it's not about how healthy the company hosting the video files is.

Re: Studio Canal Movies purchased on PlayStation Store removed without refund

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Post by madduci »

TheCondor wrote: post #14
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #10

> due to our content licensing agreements Aka, due to their mistake . When Sony originally signed an agreement, they should have insisted on a perpetual license for anything already in the customer's library. I was initially inclined toward some minimal sympathy for Sony here, but I see no good faith reason why they'd sign a licensing agreement which allows the other party to do this.

A friend and I were talking about this. What would you pay for it? When iTunes + came out, you had 2 options, you could buy a song for $0.99 or you could be the plus version for more, I don't remember but it was like $1.35 or something. Plus had a higher bit rate and it wasn't encrypted. Suppose you could buy a movie for $12.00, how much would you pay for the forever version? $30?

If I buy a DVD, it costs a fixed price.

Why should it be variable, if we talk about digital media? Storage and content streaming is cheaper than embracing a whole logistic (producing DVDs/BlueRays, packaging, shipping).

But here we are again: if you buy something digital, you just pay for a "usage license", you don't own anything at all. After all these years or decades, I am still surprised that people expect to own digital content, forever

Re: Studio Canal Movies purchased on PlayStation Store removed without refund

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Post by dfxm12 »

TheCondor wrote: post #14
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #10

> due to our content licensing agreements Aka, due to their mistake . When Sony originally signed an agreement, they should have insisted on a perpetual license for anything already in the customer's library. I was initially inclined toward some minimal sympathy for Sony here, but I see no good faith reason why they'd sign a licensing agreement which allows the other party to do this.

A friend and I were talking about this. What would you pay for it? When iTunes + came out, you had 2 options, you could buy a song for $0.99 or you could be the plus version for more, I don't remember but it was like $1.35 or something. Plus had a higher bit rate and it wasn't encrypted. Suppose you could buy a movie for $12.00, how much would you pay for the forever version? $30?

Terminator 2 is currently $8 for a bluray on amazon. $10 for a DVD. This is reasonably a forever version.

Re: Studio Canal Movies purchased on PlayStation Store removed without refund

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Post by basisword »

madduci wrote: post #26
TheCondor wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A friend and I were talking about this. What would you pay for it? When iTunes + came out, you had 2 options, you could buy a song for $0.99 or you could be the plus version for more, I don't remember but it was like $1.35 or something. Plus had a higher bit rate and it wasn't encrypted. Suppose you could buy a movie for $12.00, how much would you pay for the forever version? $30?

If I buy a DVD, it costs a fixed price. Why should it be variable, if we talk about digital media? Storage and content streaming is cheaper than embracing a whole logistic (producing DVDs/BlueRays, packaging, shipping). But here we are again: if you buy something digital, you just pay for a "usage license", you don't own anything at all. After all these years or decades, I am still surprised that people expect to own…

With digital you're hoping the 'store' keeps it in storage for you in perpetuity so you can redownload/stream it. If you buy a DVD and lose it you can't go back for another free copy. There's definitely an issue that the original license should allow you to always download and backup your copy DRM free so you will always have access but most people aren't going to do that. I bought lots of music/video content from iTunes over the years and rarely back it up. The fact I can just stream it/redownload it from them is very useful but it's also unreasonable for me to expect that Apple should be hosting my 99¢ purchase for the rest of time.

Re: Studio Canal Movies purchased on PlayStation Store removed without refund

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Post by eduction »

mghackerlady wrote: post #7

Why do people buy movies digitally anyway? I can understand digital movies (they are convenient) but renting or streaming seems far more reasonable. If you truly want to own a movie as I suspect people who buy them digitally do, the only way to ensure that is to buy it on DVD/Blu-ray and rip (or redeem the digital code version that often comes with modern releases, though those tend to have DRM). Even then, why do pe…

>Why do people buy movies digitally anyway? I can understand digital movies (they are convenient)

You answered your own question very efficiently.

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