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Re: Mag 7 starting to underperform [pdf]

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Yes, but when their run ends they tend to underperform. Every time.

If a stock market observation has no predictive power, then it's worthless. I look forward to your weather report too: "It's always sunny outside until one day it starts raining. Every time."

Off topic, but I love your username.

Re: Mag 7 starting to underperform [pdf]

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Not based on the evidence of how they allocate capital. Meta wasted $80B on the Metaverse, for example. Apollo allocates capital as their day job. Mag7 allocates by vibes. https://finance.yahoo.com/sectors/technology/articles/mark-z... https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/19/technology/mark-zuckerber... | https://archive.today/iEGAj

> Apollo allocates capital as their day job. Mag7 allocates by vibes Lol what in the world? Is running a trillion dollar corporation anything other than allocating capital? You can argue that Meta made a poor capital allocation decision with VR and perhaps continues to do so with AI.

I have an opinion based on the data, yours may differ. Favorite this thread for when the music stops. It has before (1999-2000, 2007-2008), it will again.

Re: Mag 7 starting to underperform [pdf]

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I am invested in some of the companies that are downstream of the capital expenditures of Big Tech (e.g., COHR), so I have nothing to complain about. I am really struggling to see what's the investment thesis behind Google valuation increasing 2x in response to AI, though. Assuming no magical AGI singularity, by the end of the day, they're still selling the same services, but the services have gotten more expensive f…

`I am really struggling to see what's the investment thesis behind Google valuation increasing 2x in response to AI` Google is basically Nvdia (TPUs), Tesla (Waymo Self-Driving), Hyperscaler, Netflix (YouTube) and a massive VC (Anthropic, Databricks, SpaceX, etc.) all rolled into one. Their valuation isn't really a 2x'ing so much as a reversion from halving.

It's frequently said that vonglomerates usually carry through as their valuation, the multiplier of the lowest holding. If that's the case, Alphabet is worth more broken up. Similarly that makes their current valuation (and nay any valuation) theoretically too low.

Re: Mag 7 starting to underperform [pdf]

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I mean these stocks have been performers for decades. If you posted this 10 years ago you'd look really wrong.

Yes, but when their run ends they tend to underperform. Every time.

“When the stocks don’t go up they don’t match the market which generally goes up”

Re: Mag 7 starting to underperform [pdf]

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This is probably a hot take and I am by no means a financial expert and this is probably quite wrong. I personally think that attempting to value these companies using the same methodology as the history of all American companies is fundamentally wrong. Sure, some mom and pop small local regional business that overperformed is probably more likely to underperform. But when it comes to big tech companies, these companies are operating a data and capital flywheel that doesn't easily just slow down. I mean, you look at the history of these computer tech companies, especially software companies. They really haven't slowed down. Like, look at Microsoft. It's just been growing from the very beginning, pretty much.

Re: Mag 7 starting to underperform [pdf]

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While I agree with other comments indicating that the headline is drawing on a small period of data, other data in the deck is pretty compelling.

Page 25 "The number of data centers in the US" gives an interesting insight as to the magnitude of the data center boom. 60% more data centers are being planned or are under construction. This might actually be underselling it in dollar amount, as I believe the average data center size under construction is larger than the average data center already constructed.

Page 27 "Cyclically adjusted P/E ratio near all-time highs" is certainly concerning and points to a near term correction.

Re: Mag 7 starting to underperform [pdf]

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post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean these stocks have been performers for decades. If you posted this 10 years ago you'd look really wrong.

Yes, but when their run ends they tend to underperform. Every time.

Once you lose, you have lost. Ok, but how does that help us predict when something will lose?

Re: Mag 7 starting to underperform [pdf]

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I am invested in some of the companies that are downstream of the capital expenditures of Big Tech (e.g., COHR), so I have nothing to complain about. I am really struggling to see what's the investment thesis behind Google valuation increasing 2x in response to AI, though. Assuming no magical AGI singularity, by the end of the day, they're still selling the same services, but the services have gotten more expensive f…

Google is a money printing machine, and their Q1 revenue and profit were up significantly vs last year.
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