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Re: HackerRank open sourced its ATS. My resume scored 90/100. Oh wait 74. No – 88

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Post by sp2hari »

rendaw wrote: post #269
sp2hari wrote: post #241

HackerRank CTO & author of this repo here There's no better feeling than building something open source and watching it take off. Nine months ago, I built a simple hiring agent to solve one very real problem. Things it is not: It's not an ATS. We don't use it to screen our open roles. Our customers don't use it either. Here's what it is: Every year at HackerRank, we get 50,000 to 60,000 intern applications. No human…

Do you read all ~50,000 then? Just with the ranked ones first? Or are you using it to screen? I'm confused.

There are some with very low scores that were ignored (like Rest of the ones with good scores (at least more than 40K), was reviewed manually.

Re: HackerRank open sourced its ATS. My resume scored 90/100. Oh wait 74. No – 88

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Post by Bedon292 »

a3w wrote: post #321

What does ATS mean? Neither github repo nor article explain that.

Probably: Applicant Tracking System. Used for tracking the people who apply to each of your openings, and the hiring workflow. Where this would likely be used to neck down all the applicants before a person actually looks at them to make judgement calls on who to move forward in the process.

Re: HackerRank open sourced its ATS. My resume scored 90/100. Oh wait 74. No – 88

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Post by buzer »

bluGill wrote: post #294
buzer wrote: post #277

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> this is most likely highly illegal to use in the EU due to violating anti discrimination laws in multiple ways. It's generally illegal under GDPR Article 22. > The data subject shall have the right not to be subject to a decision based solely on automated processing, including profiling, which produces legal effects concerning him or her or similarly significantly affects him or her. Exceptions in 22(2) are unlikel…

For C: I'm not sure how EU laws work, but ethics says that someone who needs a job cannot give consent since the possibility of a job if they give consent could be a bribe. See a lawyer for how it works in your country.

That's why I said consent usually cannot be used in employment context. I wouldn't rule it out 100% for everything employment related, but application screening is unlikely to qualify for those rare cases.

Re: HackerRank open sourced its ATS. My resume scored 90/100. Oh wait 74. No – 88

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Post by conductr »

0xbadcafebee wrote: post #262

This insanity only exists because the tech industry is standard-less. No formal education needed, no formal training requirement, no apprenticeship, no software building code, no professional organization. Resumes have never been a good predictor of success - and why would they be?? Even if they're truthful and it's "impressive looking", that doesn't give you any assurance of knowledge, of who they learned under, wha…

I have no data to lean on other than my experience and intuition but I’d say that’s not the case. My domain is corporate finance, which encompasses a lot of structured roles and certifications, yet I consistently feel the Resume is just a poor device for making any judgement calls. Having people summarize their career into 1-2 pages of bullet points just doesn’t mean much. Especially now that keyword packing is a thing. It’s just meant as an introduction/sniff test to open the door for a conversation. Then it allows for deeper more probing questions to be asked. This where you’ll assess how impactful their contribution to a project actually was. Were they really living up to your definition of a manager, or were they more so an IC that had a lot responsibility. Stuff like that.

> Resumes have never been a good predictor of success

Applies broadly to the world, it’s not unique to tech

Re: HackerRank open sourced its ATS. My resume scored 90/100. Oh wait 74. No – 88

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Post by ambicapter »

ludicrousdispla wrote: post #59
jerrythegerbil wrote: post #4

> I fail 65% of the time. Same exact resume, different luck. As someone who’s run hiring pipelines for technical roles in the past few years, that’s actually a fantastic number. I objectively hate saying that, but it’s true. 35% chance of elevating a technical individual to the next stage with no effort? I’ve seen as many as 100+ applicants an hour even when including a domain specific screener question. That’s 35 “s…

So the logical solution is for candidates to submit multiple applications with slight variations to their contact info, "John Schmidt", "John J. Schmidt", "John J. J. Schmidt", "John Jacob J. Schmidt", "J. J. Jingleheimer Schmidt", etc.

It's a good day to have 3 middle names.

Re: HackerRank open sourced its ATS. My resume scored 90/100. Oh wait 74. No – 88

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Post by ThrowawayR2 »

cyanydeez wrote: post #164
spwa4 wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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a studied example is sampling judicial decisions before lunch and after lunch. judges are more lenient on a full stomach.

That was a single study and it's finding is at the very least disputed, if not debunked, e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41091803

Re: HackerRank open sourced its ATS. My resume scored 90/100. Oh wait 74. No – 88

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Post by jerf »

torben-friis wrote: post #316
jerf wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everything is correlated to everything [1]. Which means there's a good chance this is somehow correlated in one way or another to race/gender/other protected classes in the US, just by the math of everything being correlated to everything. Which means this is one good lawsuit away from being illegal in the US as well. It doesn't even necessarily have to "win", just do well enough in court to scare away anyone else fr…

Would the accused party have to prove compliance? Or would non compliance have to be proved by the accuser? Honest question, I'm not American.

"Innocent until proven guilty" is a criminal court concept. This would be a civil suit. Those use different standards, like "preponderance of the evidence". I agree that if the claimant had to prove the AI system is violating employment law that that would be a hard bar to clear, but showing on the preponderance of the evidence is something that would have me a lot more nervous if I was on the receiving end of the lawsuit.

This is a highly general answer to a complicated topic; my main point is more that this is not going to be held to the standard of "beyond reasonable doubt", which would be hard to meet.

[1]: https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/preponderance_of_the_evidenc...

Re: HackerRank open sourced its ATS. My resume scored 90/100. Oh wait 74. No – 88

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Post by oceansweep »

jerf wrote: post #290
dathinab wrote: post #247

And this + the tendency for AI to "prefer" AI produced code + some other AI biased is why *this is most likely highly illegal to use in the EU due to violating anti discrimination laws in multiple ways. To be clear: - randomly filtering "too many" resumes is pretty much allowed (I think) - but must be actual random independent of the resume (and can be in multiple layers, i.e. random filter > pre-select > random filt…

Everything is correlated to everything [1]. Which means there's a good chance this is somehow correlated in one way or another to race/gender/other protected classes in the US, just by the math of everything being correlated to everything. Which means this is one good lawsuit away from being illegal in the US as well. It doesn't even necessarily have to "win", just do well enough in court to scare away anyone else fr…

Already happening with Workday in California:

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/litigation/workday-loses-bid-t...

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