What does ATS mean? Neither github repo nor article explain that.
HackerRank open sourced its ATS. My resume scored 90/100. Oh wait 74. No – 88
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Re: HackerRank open sourced its ATS. My resume scored 90/100. Oh wait 74. No – 88
#322Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Makes unlikely" is very different from "prevents." If there's one counterexample, it's not really deterministic.
Exactly, consider the scenario where laws are at play and violating them could cost companies thousands. Recently my father received a 'request for address' letter addressed to me at his nursing home, the building has always been a nursing home, and he's also in his mid-70s. That's very obviously a violation of the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act. Imagine the implication of this if the law firm in questions used a…
>My point is, deterministic logic matters in certain circumstances 100% of the time. Forcing the LLM to make something unlikely is not good enough because a series of mistakes could very quickly bankrupt the company.
If your argument is that the danger of equal values being selected inconsistently breaks determinism, that's a trivial problem to solve.
Any non-infinite precision numbering system by definition is at the limits of it's precision when equal values occur. If you need to order such values you can extend the precision and add on a deterministically unique tiny value (position, order encountered, etc.) . Your original value stays in the same precision range but they are now unique.
It's usually more likely that you want to sacrifice a little precision for determinism so you can quantise to allocate the range where you apply the unique ID
For example if you had an array of 256 fp32 values but you required them to be unique, you can lop off 8 bits of mantissa and replace it with its index in the array, Every value is then unique.
Granted token dictionaries make for some fairly hefty indexes now, but the principle applies in general, it's easily solvable if you are prepared to spend some precision or do some extra calculation.
Re: HackerRank open sourced its ATS. My resume scored 90/100. Oh wait 74. No – 88
#323Earlier quoted context omitted.
In situations when you get hundreds of applications for one open position (real market now), whatever reduces your pool to the size a human can handle, works. You can preserve some diversity metrics in the process. This particular filtering is rather primitive, but LLM as a first filter can definitely do the job. You may burn less tokens than the hourly rate of your HR and it will be fairer than just dumping 50% of u…
Great until someone realises you’ve filtered out minority groups from the application process (most developers are men so maybe the LLM decided they’re the best fit, but you’ll never know exactly why it screwed your over) and you suddenly have an expensive lawsuit
What „not so smart“ person would filter minority groups out of the process in 2026? It‘s more likely that 90/10 gender disbalance will be converted to 60/40 or even 50/50. Diverse teams are more fun and stable.
Re: HackerRank open sourced its ATS. My resume scored 90/100. Oh wait 74. No – 88
#324Feels like "I Don't Hire Unlucky People" all over again, but with extra tokenmaxxing steps.
https://neonrocket.com/2014/05/rescued-from-the-ashes-i-dont...
Re: HackerRank open sourced its ATS. My resume scored 90/100. Oh wait 74. No – 88
#325Earlier quoted context omitted.
> This despite the fact that we have lots of experience of programs running on computers that produces wildly inconsistent outputs. The average user has very little. A word processor with inconsistent pagination or a spreadsheet with inconsistent totals is rightly seen as faulty.
The average user is familiar with games.
Clocks too.
Re: HackerRank open sourced its ATS. My resume scored 90/100. Oh wait 74. No – 88
#326> I fail 65% of the time. Same exact resume, different luck. As someone who’s run hiring pipelines for technical roles in the past few years, that’s actually a fantastic number. I objectively hate saying that, but it’s true. 35% chance of elevating a technical individual to the next stage with no effort? I’ve seen as many as 100+ applicants an hour even when including a domain specific screener question. That’s 35 “s…
I wonder if you could solve this for programming specifically as follows: 1. Give them some easy leetcode questions. Nothing that a competent programmer would have any problem with. 2. If they pass, ask for a deposit of like $20. Shouldn't be an issue for people who are actually serious. 3. Do more simple leetcode questions but this time on zoom so you can tell if they are using AI. If they pass that they get the dep…
I'm not going to do any of those 3 things for a would-be employer.
Re: HackerRank open sourced its ATS. My resume scored 90/100. Oh wait 74. No – 88
#327And this + the tendency for AI to "prefer" AI produced code + some other AI biased is why *this is most likely highly illegal to use in the EU due to violating anti discrimination laws in multiple ways. To be clear: - randomly filtering "too many" resumes is pretty much allowed (I think) - but must be actual random independent of the resume (and can be in multiple layers, i.e. random filter > pre-select > random filt…
> this is most likely highly illegal to use in the EU due to violating anti discrimination laws in multiple ways. It's generally illegal under GDPR Article 22. > The data subject shall have the right not to be subject to a decision based solely on automated processing, including profiling, which produces legal effects concerning him or her or similarly significantly affects him or her. Exceptions in 22(2) are unlikel…
this isn't quite how GDPR Article 22 works
The is a difference between
- having a right you can't wave - which is very similar to something being forbidden - but different to having a right you fully or partially can wave
Furthermore to some degree you are only "subject to a decision based on ..." if the decision has an effects affecting you.
In practice wrt. Article 22 this means companies can make a "decision solely based on automated processing[..]" iff they give you a (realistic) chance to object to it in which case they will do a human review of the decision where a human confirms/changes this decision based on reviewing the involved information.
There is a lot of gray area what a "chance to object" means and when a human review makes an decision no longer "solely based on automated processing" (a human just saying AI was right clearly doesn't count, but a human constructing a case why they would have decided the same way based on the why the AI did the decision can count, iff it's reasonable to assume a human might have come to the decision had it only been reviews by an human).
Or in other words GDRP Article 22, just "soso" meaningful in context of hiring.
Like if the AI did a mistake they have to reevaluate it, but as long as there are other similarly qualified competitor (they did hire/are in process of hiring) it quite easy to come up with a reason why they are a better choice for them. Or go through the motions of you being in round 2,3 of hiring and then find an excuse to not hire you.
Re: HackerRank open sourced its ATS. My resume scored 90/100. Oh wait 74. No – 88
#328Earlier quoted context omitted.
In almost all forms of math, the value n/0 is undefined. It's definitely not infinity, for two reasons - depending on the value of n, it can be negative; and neither info nor -inf are numbers, so they can't be the result of an equation (unless you look at transfinite equations). What you can do in math is talk about the limit of a series of fractions as the denominator approaches 0, and that's where you get some rela…
I explicitly didn't say "infinity or negative infinity" because I didn't think that level of pedantry would be needed here on HN. I guess I was wrong.
All discussions of mathematics assume maximal possible pedantry.
Re: HackerRank open sourced its ATS. My resume scored 90/100. Oh wait 74. No – 88
#329At this point we might as well adopt that joke where you blindly throw away half the resumes because you don't want to hire unlucky people.
The author made this exact joke in TFA.
Re: HackerRank open sourced its ATS. My resume scored 90/100. Oh wait 74. No – 88
#330Earlier quoted context omitted.
> this is most likely highly illegal to use in the EU due to violating anti discrimination laws in multiple ways. It's generally illegal under GDPR Article 22. > The data subject shall have the right not to be subject to a decision based solely on automated processing, including profiling, which produces legal effects concerning him or her or similarly significantly affects him or her. Exceptions in 22(2) are unlikel…
For C: I'm not sure how EU laws work, but ethics says that someone who needs a job cannot give consent since the possibility of a job if they give consent could be a bribe. See a lawyer for how it works in your country.
also not fully sure, but AFIK there are limits to how far you can wave this right, in context of things like TOS, simple opt-in fields on forms etc.
Like YT would have loved to make you opt out of it (and probably has it in their TOS) but there where multiple cases of courts forcing them to handle it properly in the past as far as I remember.
My _guess_ is that at least if you don't sign a proper contract you can always force a human reevaluation. But also only that (so only semi useful). Also even with a proper contract it's unclear if it would be possible in this specific case due to the contract being fundamentally one-side/unfair and semi-forced on you if it where wide spread on the market for the specific job you are trying to get.