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Re: Tidal AI Policy

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Post by keiferski »

dominotw wrote: post #58
keiferski wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You will probably be able to listen to machine-generated music on most major platforms. I just hope there’s one which excludes all of that. Personally I think it’s a bit like cultural junk food: it has the appearance of real food, but leaves one hungry afterward. Which really isn’t all that surprising – music isn’t just some random collection of patterns, it’s intimately tied to real culture. Current AI software is o…

junk food is a common misconception about electronic music with ppl who have only listened to trash versions of it on social media.

I don’t mean electronic music writ large, I mean AI generated music.

Electronic music is probably my favorite genre, broadly. But there’s a human behind the machine, not a random collection of patterns. To use a concrete example: NIN is about 1000% more interesting because of who Trent Reznor is, and not because it’s merely good music.

This disconnect is much more of an issue with say, country or bluegrass or jazz. To divorce those from the musician and their cultural context is to miss the whole point.

Re: Tidal AI Policy

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Post by TrackerFF »

I'm a musician by hobby, but used to make a living of it in my younger days. AI music has come to stay, can't do anything about it - the cat is out of the bag.

I know professional musicians that will use AI models like Suno as an aid to their tracks - mostly where they'd previously use samples or program things themselves. In these cases, where the track may be x% AI and (1-x)% Human performance, where x is very small, I think monetization or even copyright shouldn't be too difficult.

But I also know people that use tools like Suno for everything, where every single aspect of the song: Lyrics, music, production is all done by AI tools. They basically just prompt some style and vibe they want, and will upload the result. In these cases, I don't think monetization or copyright should be possible.

Then again, it is difficult to know how much AI someone used to generate their tracks, so I'm not sure how this could be enforced. I also know people that are earning very good money off their (entirely) Suno-generated tracks.

Re: Tidal AI Policy

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Post by ryukoposting »

keiferski wrote: post #30

I really hope someone makes a music platform in the future that is verified as human-made. Music is about connecting to human emotions, not poor facsimiles of it. Tie it to in-person concerts and it might actually work as a business, as well as logistically – maybe the company can be a record producer in disguise and physically meet every musician they host.

> Tie it to in-person concerts and it might actually work as a business, as well as logistically

Don't give ticketmaster any ideas.

Re: Tidal AI Policy

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Post by Grombobulous »

fxwin wrote: post #8

> Tidal will accept AI-generated music. > Tidal will hold AI-generated music to a higher standard of content integrity. We will not tolerate AI-generated music that exploits an individual’s or group’s music, name or likeness, deceives listeners, or diminishes the quality of our service. I think this is a very reasonable approach, and probably also the best way to treat AI-powered copyright infringement as a whole. Ju…

Isn’t it true that AI generated music holds no legal copyright?

Re: Tidal AI Policy

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Post by yawnr »

pier25 wrote: post #16
sph wrote: post #12

> Tidal will accept AI-generated music Tl;dr. Another one bites the dust.

it won't be monetized so there's zero incentive to upload AI slop to Tidal

It won't be monetized until they create a new monetization policy where they get a greater revenue share from it.

Re: Tidal AI Policy

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Post by kstrauser »

wiremine wrote: post #41
keiferski wrote: post #30

I really hope someone makes a music platform in the future that is verified as human-made. Music is about connecting to human emotions, not poor facsimiles of it. Tie it to in-person concerts and it might actually work as a business, as well as logistically – maybe the company can be a record producer in disguise and physically meet every musician they host.

> Music is about connecting to human emotions, not poor facsimiles of it "art is in the eye of the beholder." I listen to a lot of EDM, which can be very mechanical, but I personally have strong emotional connection to. I personally would welcome AI-generated music as an alternative to human-made. To be clear: I do agree a "human-verified" system would be great, but I don't think it would be black and white. And I wo…

I made (what would eventually get called) EDM in high school and a lot of what I enjoyed was dismissed as “not real music”. It’s not a musician playing it, but a computer! Unless a guitarist was plucking strings or a pianist hitting the keys, it wasn’t “real”.

Doesn’t matter how carefully crafted it was: it’s only real if you couldn’t hit “play”. Sorry, Mike Oldfield. Hate to break it to you that you’re a fake musician.

I agree with you. I do enjoy some live musicians jamming on a stage, but for a lot of the genres I frequently listen to, I’d have no way of knowing if a song was written by human or by AI. If it’s good, it’s good.

Re: Tidal AI Policy

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Post by jdiff »

spaqin wrote: post #20
jorisw wrote: post #6

Allow AI, but require labeling as such, and demonetize. Would love for YouTube to follow suit on this

Would you really like to take action and earn less money? Morality is dead...

What connection to morality is there from taking action and earning less money? I can think of many morally positive situations that would match this odd vague phrasing you're presenting.

Re: Tidal AI Policy

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Post by jamiequint »

keiferski wrote: post #30

I really hope someone makes a music platform in the future that is verified as human-made. Music is about connecting to human emotions, not poor facsimiles of it. Tie it to in-person concerts and it might actually work as a business, as well as logistically – maybe the company can be a record producer in disguise and physically meet every musician they host.

Baudelaire and many others said the same thing about photography.

Re: Tidal AI Policy

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Post by asah »

elicash wrote: post #14

> Tidal defines AI-generated music as music that is wholly or substantially generated by generative artificial intelligence. I think this needs more clarity. I can think of a lot of different ways AI is used in music today as a part of the song generation process and not sure whether or not this definition would apply to it. They specifically mention developments in "text-prompted generation" but if anything that con…

+1 - and what about an entirely AI generated song with a human who adds a 0.1 sec hum. Or even this hum is copypasted from another human generated song.
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