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Re: Tidal AI Policy

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Post by wiremine »

keiferski wrote: post #30

I really hope someone makes a music platform in the future that is verified as human-made. Music is about connecting to human emotions, not poor facsimiles of it. Tie it to in-person concerts and it might actually work as a business, as well as logistically – maybe the company can be a record producer in disguise and physically meet every musician they host.

> Music is about connecting to human emotions, not poor facsimiles of it

"art is in the eye of the beholder."

I listen to a lot of EDM, which can be very mechanical, but I personally have strong emotional connection to. I personally would welcome AI-generated music as an alternative to human-made.

To be clear: I do agree a "human-verified" system would be great, but I don't think it would be black and white. And I would guess that eventually AI music will be better than a lot of human made music.

Re: Tidal AI Policy

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Post by Nifty3929 »

preetham_rangu wrote: post #35

The detection problem is genuinely hard. Even desktop AI agents I've been working with recently can control Spotify, fill forms, navigate apps — all indistinguishable from human interaction at the OS level. If that's hard to detect at the application layer, detecting AI-generated music at the audio layer seems like a cat and mouse game that Tidal will struggle to win without self-reporting from uploaders.

You are correct, but I think having a good policy - and trying earnestly to enforce it - is a good start, even if that enforcement is very imperfect.

Re: Tidal AI Policy

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Post by purerandomness »

butlike wrote: post #36

> Starting today, AI-generated music will not be monetizable. AKA: We will take the value, if any, AI-generated music gives, but we will not be paying royalties. This is a contradictory statement. How does the AI-generated music give value if the generated content is inherently worthless?

That's the neat part: AI Slop "music" will have to stop pretending that it has any value.

Re: Tidal AI Policy

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Post by Imustaskforhelp »

suyash wrote: post #28
pier25 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it won't be monetized so there's zero incentive to upload AI slop to Tidal

They say only wholly produced music using AI can't be monetized, nothing stopping it's 95% AI and 5% Human. Also no concerete definitions of what that even means.

I think that they mentioned both wholly produced music or substantially produced music. I think that it will be a fuzzy line but for example in the case of 95% AI and 5% human probably won't work.

Re: Tidal AI Policy

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Post by stronglikedan »

sarjann wrote: post #22
VladVladikoff wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The flood of AI music on their platform is becuase people can make money off it. If you turn off that faucet you stop the flooding.

I think this is also a reason why X has gotten worse. They pay people for engagement.

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Re: Tidal AI Policy

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Post by somehnguy »

esafak wrote: post #23
gwbas1c wrote: post #17

I'm a Tidal subscriber, something like this is needed. My Tidal "feed" is full of new releases that are clearly AI-generated. They use the same artist name as artists that I really like, but the music is clearly not from the artist as advertised. I have no problem with AI-generated music, I just don't want someone trying to spoof the artists I am interested in.

Spotify is the same. This impersonation ought to be illegal.

Do you have some impersonated artist names I would be able to look up? This isn't a thing I have (knowingly) run into on Spotify yet and I'm really curious to see more

Re: Tidal AI Policy

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Post by brk »

Invictus0 wrote: post #21

How are they going to detect the AI music?

RFC 3514 is being repurposed as an "AI Bit", all AI-generated content will be required to set this bit during transfers.

Re: Tidal AI Policy

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Post by postalcoder »

AI music has taken over small businesses like coffee shops and restaurants. AI music drives me nuts because, to me, it still is very much deep in an uncanny valley. That said, I can't blame the businesses because they are all (dis)incentive driven.

The music industry has stepped up its efforts globally to crack down on small businesses that play copyrighted music. They actually hire people to go into these places and spot violations.

People blame social media for the death of the monoculture but I think music rights holders have done a fair share of the damage to themselves.

Re: Tidal AI Policy

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Post by obloid »

VladVladikoff wrote: post #15
fxwin wrote: post #8

> Tidal will accept AI-generated music. > Tidal will hold AI-generated music to a higher standard of content integrity. We will not tolerate AI-generated music that exploits an individual’s or group’s music, name or likeness, deceives listeners, or diminishes the quality of our service. I think this is a very reasonable approach, and probably also the best way to treat AI-powered copyright infringement as a whole. Ju…

The flood of AI music on their platform is becuase people can make money off it. If you turn off that faucet you stop the flooding.

I've encountered AI copies of songs from popular artists, hopefully this will stop or at least slow that down. I suspect the only reason those songs are uploaded is because people will accidentally listen to it and then the up loader gets the streaming revenue.
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