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Age verification is just a precursor to automated attribution of speech

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Re: Age verification is just a precursor to automated attribution of speech

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Post by Nursie »

microgpt wrote: post #74
sixsupersoup wrote: post #8

Automated fines, like traffic radar control for free speech, will also become a norm as they won't be able to put everyone in jail. But I'm not sure the liberal anarcho-tyranny power will be indefinitely immutable. Speech control might be one their last try to keep control in the west. They will crumble like soviet union.

They have this in Germany for copyright. If you torrent, you automatically get a fine letter in your email. If you don't pay, you get a court summons in the post. If you take it to court, you will lose that case and also have to pay court fees.

It's funny how this played out in different countries.

In Australia there is no chance of anything happening, because the courts ruled that payouts were limited to provable incurred losses. You pirated a movie? The maximum awarded at the end of a court case is going to be about $20, and as you can't buy very much lawyer-time for $20, it's never taken to court and the copyright-holders have effectively stopped pursuing people here.

Re: Age verification is just a precursor to automated attribution of speech

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Post by vasco »

microgpt wrote: post #73
vasco wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The verification is not done per device but per usage session.

Why are you telling someone else how their hypothetical implementation works?

There's no hypothetical, they tried to equate this to basically buying a gun where you do the certification on purchase. Internet connected devices are not planned to be controlled like that but per session. Under that model what they proposed is obviously not going to work.

Re: Age verification is just a precursor to automated attribution of speech

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Post by jrflowers »

yamillove wrote: post #27
onion2k wrote: post #10

If we taught systems thinking in schools things like internet age verification would never get past being an idea on the back of a napkin. People struggle to consider the second-, third-, and nth-order effects of anything so asking them to consider what else might happen if we bring in laws and technical mechanisms to 'protect the children' is unfortunately too a big leap for a lot of them. Most people are bad at spo…

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That page says most kids can barely read. Are you a kid?

Re: Age verification is just a precursor to automated attribution of speech

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Post by charcircuit »

microgpt wrote: post #86
derektank wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not exactly sure how an abuse of power occurring at a public event relates to the question of privacy or freedom of speech. The law did not allow the officer to arrest the man for the content of his speech so he retaliated by enforcing a different law unjustly. This kind of selective enforcement of the law can be a violation of federal law and the man likely has standing to sue.

it's an example of the government silencing people for speech

No, it's an example of someone being told to leave, not doing so, and then being arrested for trespassing.

Re: Age verification is just a precursor to automated attribution of speech

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Post by threeshells »

sixsupersoup wrote: post #8

Automated fines, like traffic radar control for free speech, will also become a norm as they won't be able to put everyone in jail. But I'm not sure the liberal anarcho-tyranny power will be indefinitely immutable. Speech control might be one their last try to keep control in the west. They will crumble like soviet union.

Imagine a machine mounted on the wall that prints you a ticket every time you swear

Re: Age verification is just a precursor to automated attribution of speech

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Post by ranyume »

RachelF wrote: post #41

Age verification is just one part of this crackdown. Device attestation is another - making sure you're using an unmodified government approved operating system and apps linked to your ID.

AI mass surveillance is another. The powerful are just ceasing opportunities to accumulate power and capital, seeing that right now it is not good enough for them.

Re: Age verification is just a precursor to automated attribution of speech

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Post by CalRobert »

onion2k wrote: post #52
NoPicklez wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well we teach people the health benefits of physical activity school but many don't continue with it.

Sorry, this is going to be a rant. :) Admittedly it's a long time since I was in school, but when I was there the notion of teaching the benefits of physical activity was limited to being told to run about for some 'sport', and absolutely nothing about why that's a good idea. Everyone was expected to do the same thing with no consideration for ability, disability, or motivation. Kids were punished with detentions for…

Ironically when I was in high school I was fat and hated pe but biked about 20 minutes to school every day. Now in middle age I still bike everywhere and am in better shape than most of my peers..

Turns out I just really really hate running.

Re: Age verification is just a precursor to automated attribution of speech

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Post by jay_kyburz »

btbuildem wrote: post #33

This is a reminder to curate and prune all your past social media contribution, because when this goes thru, you KNOW they will apply it retroactively. You'd loathe to lose your cushy job over a moment of lucid honesty back in 2011.

I've been posting under my real name for over 20 years because this was always going to be the case. Using my real name is a constant reminder to not to post things I might later regret.

Re: Age verification is just a precursor to automated attribution of speech

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Post by ranyume »

microgpt wrote: post #61
iamflimflam1 wrote: post #38

This is already happening if you want to visit the US. Customs officers will look at your social media accounts to make sure you are compliant.

And if you say you don't have any, they'll assume you're lying and deny you.

It's good that I don't have any reason to go to the US.

Re: Age verification is just a precursor to automated attribution of speech

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Post by stymaar »

onion2k wrote: post #10

If we taught systems thinking in schools things like internet age verification would never get past being an idea on the back of a napkin. People struggle to consider the second-, third-, and nth-order effects of anything so asking them to consider what else might happen if we bring in laws and technical mechanisms to 'protect the children' is unfortunately too a big leap for a lot of them. Most people are bad at spo…

“Age verification” isn't a problem in itself, the problem is how it's done. They could issue a physical id card with a cryptographic chip and do the age verification in a zero-knowledge fashion and it would be perfectly fine.

The problem is the lack of thinking about the solution and just handwaving “age verification” as a political posture, which is why we end up with half-baked systems.

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