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Re: Ford AI hiccups push carmaker to rehire ‘gray beard’ inspectors

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It’s so odd to me how companies decided what LLMs are capable of without data backing it up. Were all the execs conned or something ?

At least in my company the CFO came back after talking with other CFOs and then used Lovable to build an app. He then mentioned to his immediate team who then picked it and started running with it. It is now one of the yearly goals. The fun part is when it came time to put money where their mouth is they say the company has no funding. So more FOMO.

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they should try and replace some executives with AI, seems like there is way more room for improvement there.

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We tried it. DOGE was a complete failure of tech startup idiots asking models questions as if they were oracles and blindly trusting them to make subjective decisions about which Congressionally-created programs we should kill. Some of the tech were smart enough to realize how much damage they did and got out quickly.

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I have mostly enjoyed AI programming and I do like using Codex. The truth is that it sometimes makes me more way more productive, but not usually. Many days are spent writing specs and babysitting prompts and it can suck. Even expensive Codex 5.4/5.5 with high thinking writes code that is just ... lazy. It takes a lot of work to get it to write excellent code. It's definitely a full time job all by itself. I'm not ta…

While being slow to pass judgment or disregard an approach is a valuable trait in a senior Eng, I think 3 years is plenty of time to wait for proof of concept to pan out. It’s not panning out, it doesn’t seem on the verge of panning out, and soon the real cost is going to be passed on and the subsidies will end. LLMs see ripe to be the new IDEs, but not the new Engineers

Re: Ford AI hiccups push carmaker to rehire ‘gray beard’ inspectors

#554

they should try and replace some executives with AI, seems like there is way more room for improvement there.

arguably one of the best cases for AI, it can definitely spin anything to shareholders

Maybe not.

You're absolutely right, Charles Schwab, we should cut 10% of our workforce tomorrow!

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#555

they should try and replace some executives with AI, seems like there is way more room for improvement there.

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Adversarial inputs at the level of the government somewhat fascinate me.

(aeons old blackmail tactic requires more work than the ability to select which of two data batches is more aligned with adversarial behavior)

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#556

It’s so odd to me how companies decided what LLMs are capable of without data backing it up. Were all the execs conned or something ?

They were conned because there’s been a massive top down propaganda campaign at the highest levels of corporate America that GAI is right around the corner.

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It’s so odd to me how companies decided what LLMs are capable of without data backing it up. Were all the execs conned or something ?

It's almost as if success in business has nothing to do with creating actual value in our society, but instead engaging in a death cult ideology of share value maximization, and that means that reasonable people are out competed in this social system by brain dead ideologues or something.

Can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic or not, but yes, actual value is at best tangential to success in business.

Re: Ford AI hiccups push carmaker to rehire ‘gray beard’ inspectors

#558

they should try and replace some executives with AI, seems like there is way more room for improvement there.

That’s very appealing, the problem is the prompts control the results to such a degree, the person composing the prompts are the executives and at that point, you have not done anything.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

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We tried it. DOGE was a complete failure of tech startup idiots asking models questions as if they were oracles and blindly trusting them to make subjective decisions about which Congressionally-created programs we should kill. Some of the tech were smart enough to realize how much damage they did and got out quickly.

There’s a trend of software people in particular thinking that their expertise applies outside of their domain, and then causing a mess. DOGE was probably the world’s most spectacular example of this in action.

Re: Ford AI hiccups push carmaker to rehire ‘gray beard’ inspectors

#560

they should try and replace some executives with AI, seems like there is way more room for improvement there.

At the very least they should be held accountable for their actions. Weird how ruining people's lives is rewarded and celebrated with bonuses.

It makes sense if ruining lives is good for the company, firing and layoffs that are /necessary/ are hard for anyone with empathy. They should be rewarded for doing that.
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