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It’s so odd to me how companies decided what LLMs are capable of without data backing it up. Were all the execs conned or something ?

For years many in management believed our value to the company was "just" in our ability to produce code. You could see it from how they would "resource" projects and write job descriptions and manage. The output of the job, to them, was code written / bugs fixed / features implemented. In organizations like this, software was a cost centre, and it was treated that way. LLMs can write code. They're actually pretty go…

> For years many in management believed our value to the company was "just" in our ability to produce code.

Yeah, this is nuts because at every company I've worked at it's assumed that engineers are thinking about things like product market fit, how a feature would be sold/ the "value" of the feature itself, how we would support the feature (not just the code, but how support would manage it), etc.

I don't think people realize how much of a hand engineers have in these conversations because we don't champion that, but we think a lot about the product as a whole. Obviously we don't spend as much time thinking about how the product will be sold as a sales person will, but we absolutely think about it, in my experience.

We think a lot about the business, like a massive amount about the system as a whole across these organizational boundaries.

Re: Ford AI hiccups push carmaker to rehire ‘gray beard’ inspectors

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they should try and replace some executives with AI, seems like there is way more room for improvement there.

At the very least they should be held accountable for their actions. Weird how ruining people's lives is rewarded and celebrated with bonuses.

Re: Ford AI hiccups push carmaker to rehire ‘gray beard’ inspectors

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It’s so odd to me how companies decided what LLMs are capable of without data backing it up. Were all the execs conned or something ?

Fully red pilled, I literally cannot believe the rhetoric I’ve been hearing inside major companies.

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The first attempt failed, so they caved in, but they’ll try again after a while and lay those people off again.

The dream of perpetual labor machine is something capitalists are willing to destroy the planet in order to chase their fictitious dream. Oppressors must be stopped.

I was wondering the other day why we didn't put this level of effort into building a highway across the Atlantic and the Pacific. It seems to me if we just piled bricks made with all the money dumped into AI in the ocean, we could easily have done this. Likewise we could have just build a canal across the United States from the Atlantic to the Pacific. These efforts would have drastically reduced shipping costs and risks but they look impossible (and stupid) on paper so no one tried them.

Why is AI different?

Because it happens in a computer and many people think that makes something easy, like CGI or computer hacking in movies. It's intangible magic and belief is the product sold to investors.

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I have mostly enjoyed AI programming and I do like using Codex. The truth is that it sometimes makes me more way more productive, but not usually. Many days are spent writing specs and babysitting prompts and it can suck. Even expensive Codex 5.4/5.5 with high thinking writes code that is just ... lazy. It takes a lot of work to get it to write excellent code. It's definitely a full time job all by itself.

I'm not talking about rocket scientist code either - I'm talking about things using raw for( instead of range-based for, or writing code that is absolutely fucking riddled with imperative logic, hacks, and kludges, when something should clearly be data-driven. Stuff that is so bad I have to tell it to start over. It routinely designs amazing architecture and absolute shit architecture, sometimes on the same day. It's just so weirdly inconsistent. If you ask it to fix a bug then you have to double check if it used a hack and sometimes it will admit to it. Sometimes it lies.

I just do not see how AI is going to replace large numbers of seasoned engineers. That would be a disaster for companies that try it. Could it replace large numbers of juniors? Yes. And maybe I am being fantastically naive. I'm 100% willing to concede that it's possible or even likely.

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This is going to happen more and more. AI is a tool that should make your employees more efficient not replace them outright. And if it doesn't make your employees better? I guess AI isn't applicable to your business then. I can see a lot of companies coming to this realization over the coming months and years.

Exactly. Tools by definition have users. LLMs (real things) are tools. AI (science fiction) is a "person". When the "AI" demands a wage, I'll consider it real. Until then it's an LLM which is a tool. You wouldn't replace a plumber with a wrench.
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