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Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and they're spreading fast

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Re: Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and they're spreading fast

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What meh response? There has been a continued and very vocal response against flock here.

If you pointed out any of the many problematic aspects of Snowden in those days, you’d be shouted down and voted into oblivion immediately.

Good, because nothing “problematic” about an individual matters one bit when presented with nefarious government activities. It’s obvious distraction technique 101.

Re: Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and they're spreading fast

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>there has been widespread public backlash to cameras that track everyone, whether or not they've been suspected of a crime.

Well, duh. It doesn't know your plate from anyone elses so your plate gets recorded along with everyone else. If you go about a normal person's business then there is no harm and nothing happens.

I'm sure someone will decide harm is being done even when nothing happens.

Re: Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and they're spreading fast

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They're also getting banned fast. The city level should be the most accessible government for change. There's been over 70[1] documented wins. Don't feel like this is a lost cause, it clearly isn't. If everyone who was going to comment on this thread instead or additionally got involved by going to a city council meeting and explaining the problems to friends/family, many more cities could reject them. [1] https://de…

This list isn't exactly describing "bans," this is a city contract rejection list - otherwise known as a "just deploy in commercial parking lots abutting major thoroughfares" restriction.

Re: Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and they're spreading fast

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I honestly can't tell if this is ragebait or you believe this. My friend, if you have a database of license plates extracted from single images taken by multiple cameras, YOU ARE TRACKING UNIQUE VEHICLES ACROSS A REGION. Terabytes of data don't matter because you don't need to search terabytes, you need to search a few MB of text data. You don't even have to store the original video.

But you don't have such a database.

Re: Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and they're spreading fast

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Meanwhile in Texas we can’t even have red light cameras to automatically ticket people willing to kill you just to catch a light.

Having been in Texas last month these cameras are all over your state. I saw them everywhere from the smallest city to houston https://imgur.com/a/P7WxKpU

Make sure you're not looking at traffic control cameras. These are used to monitor traffic for the traffic lights.

Re: Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and they're spreading fast

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post #154

It's legal for any random citizen to build one of these surveillance networks, right?

That's a great point. We should build a network that tracks all cops to make sure they don't get up to no good while off duty.

Are you one of those guys who hates the cops until you need one? Do you also forget that cops are people, too?

Re: Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and they're spreading fast

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They're also getting banned fast. The city level should be the most accessible government for change. There's been over 70[1] documented wins. Don't feel like this is a lost cause, it clearly isn't. If everyone who was going to comment on this thread instead or additionally got involved by going to a city council meeting and explaining the problems to friends/family, many more cities could reject them. [1] https://de…

They're not getting banned fast, and regulation isn't a lost cause. Flock, in particular, is getting contracts cancelled primarily in ultra-liberal municipalities, and that's in large part because of their public relationship with the current federal administration. But ALPRs are going up everywhere; they're a commodity technology. We canceled our Flock contract (I wasn't psyched about that) and we're ringed by munis that use ALPRs from vendors that haven't made themselves political flashpoints.

I'm fond of pointing out on HN that the muni I live in is likely one of the 10 most progressive-leaning in the country (it's the most progressive-leaning municipality in Chicagoland). Even here, Flock had an ardent cheering section, of normal people who think expediting the interdiction of stolen vehicles (which are vectors of violent crime) is a perfectly reasonable thing for a city to invest in.

Re: Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and they're spreading fast

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I don’t think anyone is arguing that Taiwan or Japan are uniquely or universally racist. The point is that many highly cohesive societies have clear social hierarchies and stronger in-group preferences than Americans (or other groups) often recognize. Taiwan’s treatment of many Southeast Asian migrant workers is a commonly discussed example. People can be welcoming to tourists and expatriates while still having struc…

> I don’t think anyone is arguing that Taiwan or Japan are uniquely or universally racist. The original comment used this as the explanation for why there's low crime. Here's a reminder of the context we are conversing within. > > > > East Asia built a uni-culture by being extremely racist against outsiders. I don't think you can get away with that anywhere else. I think "extreme racism to outsiders" is detectable wi…

I think we’re talking past each other.

I’m not claiming “Taiwan is extremely racist, therefore low crime.” I’m saying cohesive societies often have stronger in-group preferences and social expectations than Americans tend to recognize, and those coexist with being welcoming to many foreigners.

Your experience and your relative’s experience are perfectly compatible with that. One or two positive anecdotes don’t tell us much about how a society views every minority or lower-status group any more than one bad anecdote proves pervasive racism.

As for crime, I agree it’s obviously not explained by a single variable. That’s a much stronger claim than I was making.

No desire to look at your profile but I hope the point I am trying to argue for is clearer to you.

Re: Flock cameras track more than your license plate, and they're spreading fast

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Got these installed all over local parking lots for wallmart, home depot, ross, every exit solar panel and camera. Was wondering if there is some sort of quickly blinking infrared light or something that would make it visible to a naked eye of a cop, but not to a recording camera. I bet you would sell millions of those license plate holders in a heartbeat.

these are being mapped, i will like to see a GPS route option to avoid flock cameras, but I suspect they will end up flooding all intersections.
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