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We can still stop California's 3D printer surveillance scheme

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Re: We can still stop California's 3D printer surveillance scheme

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Post by defrost »

somenameforme wrote: post #173
defrost wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

to be fair, other countries also have listed as school shootings any event that involved shooting and a school; eg: Australia with a population ~ 15x smaller than the US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_Au... has a total of six (6) incidents this century (since 2000) .. somewhat less than a factor of 15 less than the US for that same 26 year period. Note that three of the six incidents of th…

I think the connotation of a school shooting is somebody going to a school and shooting numerous students in a mostly random fashion with the intention of creating terror. That's why guns are so scary in this context - it's trivial to kill a person with a gun, a knife, a car, or a brick, but it's much easier to kill 10 people with a gun than it is with the other instruments - well except perhaps a car. But when you a…

> why is it reasonable to exclude the various incidents of non-gun homicides at Australian schools.

(when " listing any homicide that occurred within the vicinity of a school")

It isn't reasonable, and that is exactly why non shooting homicides are included in lists of all homicides but not included in lists of shooting homicides.

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Post by giardini »

platevoltage wrote: post #72
fortran77 wrote: post #52

I solved this problem by moving my U.S. home from Sunnyvale, CA to St. Charles MO.

We all know Missouri really cares about the rights of the people.

Another fellow who hopes to fight in the American Civil War!

Why don't I see more of these guys going to the Ukraine?

Re: We can still stop California's 3D printer surveillance scheme

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Post by WalterBright »

WalterBright wrote: post #59
jacobolus wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Each congressperson's staff gathers all of the comments they get, counts them up, and reports back to the congressperson, passing along anything they think would be useful information; if you write a clear and careful letter about an obscure topic there's a decent chance the congressperson themself will see it. Congresspeople typically have local ties in their area and caring what their constituents think is their jo…

A 10x increase would just be chaos.

How is a body of 4,350 representatives going to function?

Re: We can still stop California's 3D printer surveillance scheme

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Post by iancmceachern »

gdiamos wrote: post #85

My kindergartner has a 3D printer. I got a call from the school principal. She said “another parent called and said your son 3D printed a gun and brought it to school”. I looked at the print history. It was a tiny toy mandalorian figurine holding a blaster pistol in his hand. I bought my son a bigger 3D printer and told him to stop playing with that boy.

>I bought my son a bigger 3D printer and told him to stop playing with that boy.

This is the way

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Post by WillAdams »

gdiamos wrote: post #109
qwerpy wrote: post #98

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> I bought my son a bigger 3D printer and told him to stop playing with that boy. I can't think of a better response to that situation. I'm going to use it when appropriate for my own kids when the time comes. Also - your kindergartner is autonomously searching for 3d printer models and executing prints at that age? That's awesome. Curious what 3d printer and what mechanism he uses to search and initiate prints.

He started with tinkercad and thingiverse. I tried basic elegoo and bambu printers. He can’t read very well but he likes dragging shapes around on a tablet. He would ask me to find shapes using the search engines then he mixes them together or reshapes them. I would add them to his history. This is why I was surprised to hear about 3D printed guns. I was quite sure there wasn’t anything like that in the history. It w…

Have you considered BlockSCAD?

When the kid is older, the best movie on the societal aspects of firearms is _Witness_.

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Post by albedoa »

hagbard_c wrote: post #27
xp84 wrote: post #20

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We just reeeeeally want to believe, more than other states, that our government is The Good Guys and we can Fix The Problems if we only added more laws and more taxes. Every two years we are presented with 20 earnest-seeming ballot measures that each have roughly this message: > "We have a major problem in California -- ____ is not as ____ as it should be. Prop 1234 authorizes the state to sell $__,000,000,000 in bon…

Yes, that has been clear for a long time, about as long as CA has been a one-party state. The real question is why you supposedly smart Californians keep on falling for the... same... old... lie... every... damn... time. It is not as if the pie-in-the-sky people haven't promised a chicken in every pot and a cow in every shed and a car on every driveway - replace these with whatever modern equivalents you like - a tho…

Whoops, looks like my insight about you was entirely accurate how can that be: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48643270

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Post by mptest »

creato wrote: post #124
gdiamos wrote: post #85

My kindergartner has a 3D printer. I got a call from the school principal. She said “another parent called and said your son 3D printed a gun and brought it to school”. I looked at the print history. It was a tiny toy mandalorian figurine holding a blaster pistol in his hand. I bought my son a bigger 3D printer and told him to stop playing with that boy.

I can see how something like this happens. We're talking about a 5 year old kid seeing something at school, and describing it to their parents. Who knows what the kid said? Then you have situations like the young kid that did bring a gun to school and shoot a teacher, and there were tips not followed up on, and the school getting absolutely dragged through the court of public opinion because of it. So, the adults in…

> they do need to actually consider that 5 year olds might have guns.

hilarious accidental commentary on the US

> no way to prevent this - only nation where this regularly happens [0]

Re: We can still stop California's 3D printer surveillance scheme

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Post by MisterMower »

mindslight wrote: post #126
Mountain_Skies wrote: post #56

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It's six years later, and what happened during a public health emergency is still the most significant impingement upon personal liberty occupying your headspace? If you earnestly care about liberty, get off your simulated hobby horse and come back to reality. It's exactly this kind of disconnected nonsense that has encouraged the authoritarians to run wild.

Is he wrong though? Lots of bad precedents were set during that emergency, the consequences of which were still living with.

The Overton window moved in a deeply authoritarian direction during that time period. Politicians across the spectrum have internalized that move and are restricting freedom in far more overt ways than were possible prior to that emergency.

If you want to prevent future abuses, understanding how and why past abuses happened seems quite reasonable. I don’t find such an idea nonsense or disconnected from reality at all.

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