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The US Army Issued Ocarinas to Soldiers in World War II

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Re: The US Army Issued Ocarinas to Soldiers in World War II

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The US military thought a lot about how to entertain its soldiers because there was a lot of downtime during a war and most of them were draftees who didn't necessarily want to be there, Another thing they did was publish pocket paperback editions of books back when paperbacks were less common. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armed_Services_Editions

I like this boardgame kit that the Germans printed for their soldiers:

https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/30082557

Re: The US Army Issued Ocarinas to Soldiers in World War II

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I understand the intellectual satisfaction you're talking about. Now I'm wondering if we can push the minimalism to using these four holes with only two fingers. It seems doable from the diagram you link, using link fingers, and assuming half holes can be covered from the left side, and two holes can be covered with one finger at the same time. Would that work, or does the physicality of the instrument prevent that ?

Hi, Ocarina maker here! This is a genuinely interesting idea, and some Ocarina like the Goslings do have a double keying with a single finger. Sadly with English Vessel Flutes (4/6/8 holes) the holes need to all be roughly equidistant from the center of the chamber, which makes a two finger setup ergonomically complicated while keeping a tangential fipple. It is also very desirable to use the pads of the fingers to c…

Hi, I have made quite a few "Ocarinas", but not designed for musicians, but rather curio collectors. I started to look into making well tuned ones, but for the place and time i was in, it did not seem worthwhile. I am getting ready to get going with clay again, and I might give tuned ocarinas a try again. Would love to see your site if you have one. Here is a picture of some of the ones I made: http://zafka.com/w5.html This next page shows some stages in making them, nothing to do with the actual sound making. http://zafka.com/fish_photos.html

Re: The US Army Issued Ocarinas to Soldiers in World War II

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It wasn’t slavery as they were paid and could be expected to be discharged at the cessation of hostilities. Conscription is as old as society itself.

> It wasn’t slavery as they were paid Being paid some amount of money doesn't magically make it not slavery. Obvious counterpoint: what if a plantation owner "paid" each slave a single modern-day penny a year, would that make it okay? > and could be expected to be discharged at the cessation of hostilities Being let go when you're no longer needed doesn't stop it being slavery either. Would you no longer be a slave i…

Last slave was freed in the USA in 1973. Slave masters kept charging for anything and racking up the debt, so they'd never be free

Re: The US Army Issued Ocarinas to Soldiers in World War II

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The US military thought a lot about how to entertain its soldiers because there was a lot of downtime during a war and most of them were draftees who didn't necessarily want to be there, Another thing they did was publish pocket paperback editions of books back when paperbacks were less common. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armed_Services_Editions

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If you’re not conscripted to fight the invaders, there’s always the risk that you’ll be conscripted by the invaders.

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Just because something is forced, doesn’t make it slavery. I’m forced to pay taxes; that doesn’t make me a slave. Nor was a tenant farmer in the Middle Ages when required to provide corvée. I think the primary objection in this thread is to the use of the word slavery, which is simply not the same thing.

> Nor was a tenant farmer in the Middle Ages when required to provide corvée. Many historians now concede that there is little to no meaningful difference between various forms of feudal servitude and slavery. Slaves in the later Roman Empire also had certain rights, including the right to buy their own freedom in many cases. That doesn’t mean they weren’t slaves.

> Slaves in the later Roman Empire also had certain rights

Cattle in the USA probably have more legal protections than slaves in the Roman Empire.

Re: The US Army Issued Ocarinas to Soldiers in World War II

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This reminds me of my very first internet purchase. Back in the late 90's, when Ocarina of Time first came out, there was a website that a friend of mine found (back when you really felt like you found something on the internet) that sold basically perfect replicas of the titular ocarina, it even came with a silk pouch and a booklet that showed you how to play all the songs from the game. I think it was just some ran…

Etsy has plenty of stuff like that, though you do have to do some filtering through the clones and the drop-shippers.

Re: The US Army Issued Ocarinas to Soldiers in World War II

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This reminds me of my very first internet purchase. Back in the late 90's, when Ocarina of Time first came out, there was a website that a friend of mine found (back when you really felt like you found something on the internet) that sold basically perfect replicas of the titular ocarina, it even came with a silk pouch and a booklet that showed you how to play all the songs from the game. I think it was just some ran…

Your memory reminded me of Mountain Ocarinas, which I happened upon probably around 2010. It looks like The Internet Archive has a snapshot back from 2000 https://web.archive.org/web/20000902223226/http://www.mounta... . Just some guy with a website selling his custom-designed instruments.

It looks like they stopped producing them in 2024, but that is still a long run. Though they did stop making wood ocarinas at some point in that time frame.

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I did recorder in primary school. One of the things I dimly remember along with certain games and rhymes. (I think in Irish schools they do the tin whistle.) I gather a lot of schools are adopting ukuleles now. Ukes have a bad name, unfairly I think. (Listen to Eddie Vedder's "Ukulele Songs" album, very underrated). The ukulele is more forgiving than the recorder in my opinion.

Music shops sell a lot of ukuleles. Huge numbers at Christmas, it's a very popular gift. It's a fabulous instrument, nuanced and subtle, and you can buy beautiful instruments these days for really not much money at all. But AFAIK its popularity in school as a teaching instrument has as much to do with Spongebob as it does its capability :-)

I've found the ukulele a lot more rewarding than the guitar and have found I've learnt more about the guitar from it than from the guitar (if that makes sense.) It is a better introduction.The fact it has four strings makes it a lot easier to form chords on. At least for me.

I think I was put off by certain players for a while such as Tiny Tim and some of the hipster types. But it really has won me over in its way.

Eddie Vedder has done some excellent ukulele songs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W0B-1iF6S4

Then of course there is Taimane Gardner who is ridiculously good.

Re: The US Army Issued Ocarinas to Soldiers in World War II

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This reminds me of my very first internet purchase. Back in the late 90's, when Ocarina of Time first came out, there was a website that a friend of mine found (back when you really felt like you found something on the internet) that sold basically perfect replicas of the titular ocarina, it even came with a silk pouch and a booklet that showed you how to play all the songs from the game. I think it was just some ran…

Ocarina? Immediate clickbait for me; one of my hobbies is playing obscure musical instruments. I have one of these, made of rosewood. Great if you're a little bit more serious about learning, and highly recommended (by me): https://hindocarina.com/sweet_potato.shtml

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Carter? "Yes sir?" What is it, Carter? "An ocarina, sir" Bring it up here! I've had a really nice, small "English four-hole" unglazed terracotta pendant ocarina since I was a kid. They are actually really fun to play and very visceral, in a sense; the way you can get a chromatic scale from only four hole sizes combinatorially is intellectually satisfying and weirdly easy to learn. It came with some sheet music that s…

You can get them in all sorts of shapes and sizes

Indeed. I mentioned Hind above. Charlie Hind makes soprano, alto, tenor, bass, and double ocarinas, made from rosewood, cocobola, and other woods. [I'm not affiliated at all; just a fan of his products]: https://hindocarina.com/sweet_potato.shtml

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