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Ford AI hiccups push carmaker to rehire ‘gray beard’ inspectors

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Re: Ford AI hiccups push carmaker to rehire ‘gray beard’ inspectors

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Post by decimalenough »

calcifer wrote: post #387
WarmWash wrote: post #136

Ford has hired 350 engineers over the last 3 years which happened alongside short comings in using AI inspection tooling. This has nothing to do with LLMs and instead is almost certainly about their MAIVIS and AiTriz pilots, which use old school CNNs on custom IBM hardware to do visual inspections.

The article has named sources for its quotes, whereas your comment relies entirely on "almost certainly" which sounds a lot less informed.

Nothing in the article contradicts their (IMHO accurate) claim. Three years ago boardrooms were not drinking the LLM Kool-aid yet, while ML-powered QC has been around for years. Remember Silicon Valley's hot dog vs not hot dog? That's pretty much all you need, only the hot dog is a car part.

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Post by sublinear »

samudrijan wrote: post #369
xprnio wrote: post #353

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(As a non American) I remember hearing a joke that goes something like “How do you fix a Chevrolette? Buy a Ford”, but nowadays I guess a bike is a better option

Fix Or Repair Daily

Faulty Obsolete Ruinous Decline

Re: Ford AI hiccups push carmaker to rehire ‘gray beard’ inspectors

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Post by tgv »

plaguuuuuu wrote: post #392
xantronix wrote: post #358

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You seem like a person who works at a place that doesn't have an AI mandate. That sounds nice. I miss when we had nice things in the world like that. I will never take that for granted again.

AI mandate is one of the best things that's happened to me. It's the easiest metric to game in the world. At one point my boss asked why my AI usage was lower than other team members. I instantly knew what to do. Every session is now run at ultracode effort. My automated PR review bot averages like $80 in usage per PR review.

That's corporate eco-terrorism. How did we sink so low?

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Post by lordkrandel »

xantronix wrote: post #358
murphomatic wrote: post #341

Get ready for this to become a common theme. Boardrooms are still engaged in the fever-dream promise that AI will solve all their problems, particularly those involving pesky humans. The simple lesson of "AI is another tool" will be a hard-learned one. Some industries, such as software, will take more time to mop themselves into a corner before they discover that velocity should never be a first-class concern. Speed…

You seem like a person who works at a place that doesn't have an AI mandate. That sounds nice. I miss when we had nice things in the world like that. I will never take that for granted again.

Get out of thay world ASAP. There are still companies actually doing work instead of burning investors money

Re: Ford AI hiccups push carmaker to rehire ‘gray beard’ inspectors

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Post by oblio »

tgv wrote: post #403
plaguuuuuu wrote: post #392

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AI mandate is one of the best things that's happened to me. It's the easiest metric to game in the world. At one point my boss asked why my AI usage was lower than other team members. I instantly knew what to do. Every session is now run at ultracode effort. My automated PR review bot averages like $80 in usage per PR review.

That's corporate eco-terrorism. How did we sink so low?

It's even worse/better. It's corporate financial malpractice. At some point they will wake up after the AI psychosis dies down. That might take 1-2 more years. After that most companies will realize that AI is a tool, as OP said, and adjust budgets accordingly.

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Post by cevn »

tudelo wrote: post #396
plaguuuuuu wrote: post #392

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AI mandate is one of the best things that's happened to me. It's the easiest metric to game in the world. At one point my boss asked why my AI usage was lower than other team members. I instantly knew what to do. Every session is now run at ultracode effort. My automated PR review bot averages like $80 in usage per PR review.

It is extremely easy to burn tokens if that is required. Explore this codebase. Team x wants y feature, research and generate a full plan. What does feature x in codebase y actually mean? Analyze code coverage in x. Map out code flow and find concurrency bugs in y and on and on... Oh and my favorite: Use 5 independent subagents to review code change and summarize the findings, and for any finding determine if they ar…

The other day claude spun up 100 agents and took an hour to type 30k token document to tell me something was impossible to do. I googled it, found a pr on the 3rd link that showed it was possible. "You're absolutely right!!"

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Post by ffsm8 »

tudelo wrote: post #396
plaguuuuuu wrote: post #392

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AI mandate is one of the best things that's happened to me. It's the easiest metric to game in the world. At one point my boss asked why my AI usage was lower than other team members. I instantly knew what to do. Every session is now run at ultracode effort. My automated PR review bot averages like $80 in usage per PR review.

It is extremely easy to burn tokens if that is required. Explore this codebase. Team x wants y feature, research and generate a full plan. What does feature x in codebase y actually mean? Analyze code coverage in x. Map out code flow and find concurrency bugs in y and on and on... Oh and my favorite: Use 5 independent subagents to review code change and summarize the findings, and for any finding determine if they ar…

There is value in doing all that too, though. Admittedly with strong diminishing returns, but it's there.

Eg by doing that I was able to develop non-essential features which increased our quality of life for devs last month without going through our PO who'd need to price it - because that does let's you create changes in an incredibly hands off manner with miniscule amount of time investment if you already know what you want to achieve, and how the end result should be...

Admittedly, that's a pretty narrow usecase which is rarely the case- but if it is...

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Post by EmanuelB »

plaguuuuuu wrote: post #392
xantronix wrote: post #358

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You seem like a person who works at a place that doesn't have an AI mandate. That sounds nice. I miss when we had nice things in the world like that. I will never take that for granted again.

AI mandate is one of the best things that's happened to me. It's the easiest metric to game in the world. At one point my boss asked why my AI usage was lower than other team members. I instantly knew what to do. Every session is now run at ultracode effort. My automated PR review bot averages like $80 in usage per PR review.

https://github.com/dtnewman/burn-baby-burn

Get ready for that promotion!

Re: Ford AI hiccups push carmaker to rehire ‘gray beard’ inspectors

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Post by Herbstluft »

tasuki wrote: post #394
tiew9Vii wrote: post #379

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The dystopian future where no one owns cars is already being laid. Cars are more and more becoming white goods appliances with the driving experience becoming less and less a priority. Even enthusiast cars now are about raw numbers and need electronics to reign them in to make useable for the average driver on the average road. The average user probably doesn’t even want to drive and have AI do it for them. Repairabi…

> The dystopian future where no one owns cars is already being laid. Pardon me? We're living in the dystopian present, where most everyone has a car or several. Cities are crowded with cars -- both moving and parked -- and it's awful for humans who aren't cars. I can't wait for the moment people switch to a subscription and the cars are shared and drive themselves. The streets will be just as full of moving cars, but…

You are injecting a lot of assumptions and wishful thinking to view the removal of ownership from this equation as a net positive.

I see no reason to assume that this would lead to the disappearance of parked cars or to more trees. Our corporate overlords will want to make use of that space for more cars or infrastructure to support the new car network, why would they ever just give it back willingly?

Re: Ford AI hiccups push carmaker to rehire ‘gray beard’ inspectors

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Post by kamranjon »

achow wrote: post #399
calcifer wrote: post #387

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article has named sources for its quotes, whereas your comment relies entirely on "almost certainly" which sounds a lot less informed.

OP to me sounds more authentic and seems to have inside information. After a quick search I found a publication actually mentioning about these tools: Ford previously told Business Insider that it had developed two bespoke AI-enhanced scanning tools that helped validate that cars were properly assembled before rolling off the lot. The tools, called AiTriz and MAIVs, both debuted in 2024. https://autos.yahoo.com/polic…

A fine-tuned classifier purpose fit for a specific task can easily outperform a SOTA LLM on more modest hardware and often makes a lot more sense.
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