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The CEO of Mullvad is the main financer of the Swedish Örebro party

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Re: The CEO of Mullvad is the main financer of the Swedish Örebro party

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Post by AlecSchueler »

port11 wrote: post #127
ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's reasonable to "demand" integration. What should happen is that the existing cultures should be open and welcoming enough so that new-comers want to take part. Also, I like the idea of immigrants bringing their culture with them (and in some cases, that may be the last representation of that culture) and welcoming people to learn about it. Multi-culturalism should be about championing different cult…

GP literally addresses your points. I think we’re very welcoming in most of Europe, adopt others’ traditions, and are not too imposing. Just, you know, leave women alone and don’t aim fireworks at ambulances. Dismissing any amount of integration is chicanery. We’re pro-social creatures, and knowing the lay of the land makes your life better.

> Just, you know, leave women alone and don’t aim fireworks at ambulances.

Where I'm from (Northern Ireland) harassing women and attacking emergency services have been part of the culture for as long as I remember. Would you suggest that people arriving should actively take part in these behaviours?

Re: The CEO of Mullvad is the main financer of the Swedish Örebro party

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Post by card_zero »

lightbulbish wrote: post #58

I'm Swedish, but never heard of Örebropartiet before. I tried looking into their website and it doesn't say a lot. Translated from Swedish wikipedia: --- Örebropartiet was founded by Markus Allard in the spring of 2014, when he was recently expelled from the Left Party and the Young Left. [...] Among the party's main issues are reduced politicians' salaries, reduced bureaucracy, civil servant responsibility, assimila…

Don't we also get a dopamine release from empathy, or is it just no fun?

Re: The CEO of Mullvad is the main financer of the Swedish Örebro party

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

port11 wrote: post #127
ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's reasonable to "demand" integration. What should happen is that the existing cultures should be open and welcoming enough so that new-comers want to take part. Also, I like the idea of immigrants bringing their culture with them (and in some cases, that may be the last representation of that culture) and welcoming people to learn about it. Multi-culturalism should be about championing different cult…

GP literally addresses your points. I think we’re very welcoming in most of Europe, adopt others’ traditions, and are not too imposing. Just, you know, leave women alone and don’t aim fireworks at ambulances. Dismissing any amount of integration is chicanery. We’re pro-social creatures, and knowing the lay of the land makes your life better.

I'm not saying that people shouldn't want to integrate, I'm saying that "demanding" it is problematic. Imagine grandparents being brought over from a different country and they don't speak the language - should they be forced to attend language school? What level of language ability would be considered the minimum and does that also include reading/writing?

By all means provide encouragement and resources so that people can adapt to their new situation, but don't demand it.

Re: The CEO of Mullvad is the main financer of the Swedish Örebro party

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Post by kamaitachi »

kfreds wrote: post #118

Hi, Mullvad has two owners, founders, and CEOs - Daniel Berntsson, and me, Fredrik Strömberg. All posts I've seen yesterday and today, including the newspaper articles, talk about Mullvad as if Daniel is the single owner, founder and CEO. It should be obvious that Daniel's private donation to a political party is not part of Mullvad's values or mission. If you have any questions, comments or concerns you're welcome t…

Hi Fredrik

I’m a long time Mullvad customer, likely paid Mullvad upward of 400€ in the past number of years, as well as recommended it to friends and family members.

What you seem to be missing in your comment, is that some of that money I paid, found its way to support an organisation that has extreme racist views.

I’ve reached out to support and requested a refund of my outstanding credit.

I’ll be moving on.

Re: The CEO of Mullvad is the main financer of the Swedish Örebro party

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Post by hackinthebochs »

ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #123
lightbulbish wrote: post #58

I'm Swedish, but never heard of Örebropartiet before. I tried looking into their website and it doesn't say a lot. Translated from Swedish wikipedia: --- Örebropartiet was founded by Markus Allard in the spring of 2014, when he was recently expelled from the Left Party and the Young Left. [...] Among the party's main issues are reduced politicians' salaries, reduced bureaucracy, civil servant responsibility, assimila…

I don't think it's reasonable to "demand" integration. What should happen is that the existing cultures should be open and welcoming enough so that new-comers want to take part. Also, I like the idea of immigrants bringing their culture with them (and in some cases, that may be the last representation of that culture) and welcoming people to learn about it. Multi-culturalism should be about championing different cult…

Why is the burden always on the host nation and never the immigrants?

Re: The CEO of Mullvad is the main financer of the Swedish Örebro party

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Post by defrost »

hackinthebochs wrote: post #135
ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's reasonable to "demand" integration. What should happen is that the existing cultures should be open and welcoming enough so that new-comers want to take part. Also, I like the idea of immigrants bringing their culture with them (and in some cases, that may be the last representation of that culture) and welcoming people to learn about it. Multi-culturalism should be about championing different cult…

Why is the burden always on the host nation and never the immigrants?

Always? Never?

There are > 190 countries in the world and many of them require immigrants to meet at least the same criteria for employment and assistance as born citizens.

Re: The CEO of Mullvad is the main financer of the Swedish Örebro party

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Post by padjo »

jaykru wrote: post #30

The party in question: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96rebro_Party . Doesn't sound extremist far-right to me. Many of its positions would be considered center-left or even far left in much of the world.

"They will also be forced to leave, even if they are born in Sweden, because they have no natural connection to Sweden. They are not Swedish"

For all the stuff about free dentists this sounds pretty right wing to me.

Re: The CEO of Mullvad is the main financer of the Swedish Örebro party

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Post by davidgerard »

SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #7
colesantiago wrote: post #2

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I am now open to suggestions for a good VPM that isn't Mulvad. Or Proton. Why not Proton: https://pivot-to-ai.com/2024/07/25/proton-mail-adds-a-bitcoi... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48447103

ssh -D

(really, that's what I do)

Re: The CEO of Mullvad is the main financer of the Swedish Örebro party

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Post by hogwasher »

freediddy wrote: post #45

Did anyone actually look into the "far-right" party that this purports to be? The Örebro Party (Swedish: Örebropartiet, ÖP) is a local populist political party in Örebro, Sweden, led by Markus Allard. It holds seats in the Örebro municipal and regional assemblies, focusing on local populist policies such as reducing politicians' salaries, stricter migration, and free dental care. Sweden has undergone a horrible trans…

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Re: The CEO of Mullvad is the main financer of the Swedish Örebro party

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Post by em-bee »

hackinthebochs wrote: post #135
ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's reasonable to "demand" integration. What should happen is that the existing cultures should be open and welcoming enough so that new-comers want to take part. Also, I like the idea of immigrants bringing their culture with them (and in some cases, that may be the last representation of that culture) and welcoming people to learn about it. Multi-culturalism should be about championing different cult…

Why is the burden always on the host nation and never the immigrants?

the burden should always be on the ones who are stronger to accommodate those who are weaker.

the majority needs to welcome and support the minority.

and it's not that there is no burden on the immigrants. they still have to learn to understand the local language, culture, rule of law, etc...

we should learn from each other and take the good from each. the burden for that is on both sides.

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