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The CEO of Mullvad is the main financer of the Swedish Örebro party

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Re: The CEO of Mullvad is the main financer of the Swedish Örebro party

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Post by AlecSchueler »

lightbulbish wrote: post #58

I'm Swedish, but never heard of Örebropartiet before. I tried looking into their website and it doesn't say a lot. Translated from Swedish wikipedia: --- Örebropartiet was founded by Markus Allard in the spring of 2014, when he was recently expelled from the Left Party and the Young Left. [...] Among the party's main issues are reduced politicians' salaries, reduced bureaucracy, civil servant responsibility, assimila…

> I think it is very reasonable to demand that people try to integrate when coming to a new country - learn the language, get into the culture.

What kind of things might be involved in a mandate for people to "get into the culture?"

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Post by phendrenad2 »

vrganj wrote: post #120
kfreds wrote: post #118

Hi, Mullvad has two owners, founders, and CEOs - Daniel Berntsson, and me, Fredrik Strömberg. All posts I've seen yesterday and today, including the newspaper articles, talk about Mullvad as if Daniel is the single owner, founder and CEO. It should be obvious that Daniel's private donation to a political party is not part of Mullvad's values or mission. If you have any questions, comments or concerns you're welcome t…

Hi Fredrik, long time user of your service. I have to say, this is a disappointing message. The thing about intolerant movements is that tolerance doesn't fix them, it makes them worse and lets them accumulate power until they can destroy the tolerant. I'd recommend reading Karl Popper and his Paradox of Tolerance, which he formulated after seeing this exact thing play out in his native Austria with the rise of the N…

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Re: The CEO of Mullvad is the main financer of the Swedish Örebro party

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

lightbulbish wrote: post #58

I'm Swedish, but never heard of Örebropartiet before. I tried looking into their website and it doesn't say a lot. Translated from Swedish wikipedia: --- Örebropartiet was founded by Markus Allard in the spring of 2014, when he was recently expelled from the Left Party and the Young Left. [...] Among the party's main issues are reduced politicians' salaries, reduced bureaucracy, civil servant responsibility, assimila…

I don't think it's reasonable to "demand" integration. What should happen is that the existing cultures should be open and welcoming enough so that new-comers want to take part. Also, I like the idea of immigrants bringing their culture with them (and in some cases, that may be the last representation of that culture) and welcoming people to learn about it.

Multi-culturalism should be about championing different cultures and not forcing everyone into a cultural homogeneity.

Re: The CEO of Mullvad is the main financer of the Swedish Örebro party

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

JuniperMesos wrote: post #62
nisegami wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's funny how remigration never involves sending white folk back to europe.

That's because there are no nonwhite countries in the world that white people immigrate to en masse because living conditions there are better than in their own countries. There's a real racial asymmetry in the world between whites and nonwhites in terms of building countries people wish to live in.

I daresay that Australia and New Zealand are places that white people invaded and then put up barriers to stop too many other people (of any colour) coming to live there.

> There's a real racial asymmetry in the world between whites and nonwhites in terms of building countries people wish to live in.

I think your framing is incorrect - the asymmetry is far more to do with money and power than a shade of skin.

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Post by vrganj »

phendrenad2 wrote: post #122
vrganj wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi Fredrik, long time user of your service. I have to say, this is a disappointing message. The thing about intolerant movements is that tolerance doesn't fix them, it makes them worse and lets them accumulate power until they can destroy the tolerant. I'd recommend reading Karl Popper and his Paradox of Tolerance, which he formulated after seeing this exact thing play out in his native Austria with the rise of the N…

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Fascism isn't a generic term for "things I don't like".

It is a very specific ideology responsible for the worst atrocities in history that needs to be ruthlessly stomped out as soon as it rears its ugly head again.

This isn't about opinions or tolerance. It's about preventing crimes against humanity.

Re: The CEO of Mullvad is the main financer of the Swedish Örebro party

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Post by port11 »

AlecSchueler wrote: post #121
lightbulbish wrote: post #58

I'm Swedish, but never heard of Örebropartiet before. I tried looking into their website and it doesn't say a lot. Translated from Swedish wikipedia: --- Örebropartiet was founded by Markus Allard in the spring of 2014, when he was recently expelled from the Left Party and the Young Left. [...] Among the party's main issues are reduced politicians' salaries, reduced bureaucracy, civil servant responsibility, assimila…

> I think it is very reasonable to demand that people try to integrate when coming to a new country - learn the language, get into the culture. What kind of things might be involved in a mandate for people to "get into the culture?"

It’s a hot topic, but in Belgium some people are taught how to take the bus, do their taxes, and not harass women. One of my Dutch teachers led the integration course and said this stuff was really difficult to land.

If you come from a culture of groping women, not doing is gonna be a challenge. I get it. But we’ve also built mosques and have pagan festivals and allow public servants to wear their choice of religious attire. I think it’s a balance, but nobody is ever happy with wherever you set the balance.

When I learn the local language, I’m happier; it’s nice to talk to people. Not everyone agrees.

Tja.

Re: The CEO of Mullvad is the main financer of the Swedish Örebro party

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Post by port11 »

ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #123
lightbulbish wrote: post #58

I'm Swedish, but never heard of Örebropartiet before. I tried looking into their website and it doesn't say a lot. Translated from Swedish wikipedia: --- Örebropartiet was founded by Markus Allard in the spring of 2014, when he was recently expelled from the Left Party and the Young Left. [...] Among the party's main issues are reduced politicians' salaries, reduced bureaucracy, civil servant responsibility, assimila…

I don't think it's reasonable to "demand" integration. What should happen is that the existing cultures should be open and welcoming enough so that new-comers want to take part. Also, I like the idea of immigrants bringing their culture with them (and in some cases, that may be the last representation of that culture) and welcoming people to learn about it. Multi-culturalism should be about championing different cult…

GP literally addresses your points. I think we’re very welcoming in most of Europe, adopt others’ traditions, and are not too imposing. Just, you know, leave women alone and don’t aim fireworks at ambulances.

Dismissing any amount of integration is chicanery. We’re pro-social creatures, and knowing the lay of the land makes your life better.

Re: The CEO of Mullvad is the main financer of the Swedish Örebro party

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Post by phendrenad2 »

vrganj wrote: post #125
phendrenad2 wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Fascism isn't a generic term for "things I don't like". It is a very specific ideology responsible for the worst atrocities in history that needs to be ruthlessly stomped out as soon as it rears its ugly head again. This isn't about opinions or tolerance. It's about preventing crimes against humanity.

You're right, this isn't about X, it's about Y.

Re: The CEO of Mullvad is the main financer of the Swedish Örebro party

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Post by em-bee »

port11 wrote: post #127
ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's reasonable to "demand" integration. What should happen is that the existing cultures should be open and welcoming enough so that new-comers want to take part. Also, I like the idea of immigrants bringing their culture with them (and in some cases, that may be the last representation of that culture) and welcoming people to learn about it. Multi-culturalism should be about championing different cult…

GP literally addresses your points. I think we’re very welcoming in most of Europe, adopt others’ traditions, and are not too imposing. Just, you know, leave women alone and don’t aim fireworks at ambulances. Dismissing any amount of integration is chicanery. We’re pro-social creatures, and knowing the lay of the land makes your life better.

compared to the rest of the world europe is absolutely not welcoming. heck, even as a native german if you move from one region in germany to another you are treated as an unwelcome outsider. less so in big cities where you are more anonymous but still. if you are lucky you can find "your tribe" and your children may be accepted if they grow up there. the only places in germany where i ever felt welcome was linux user groups, and other fringe groups which as a whole had more of an outsider status.

Re: The CEO of Mullvad is the main financer of the Swedish Örebro party

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Post by AlecSchueler »

port11 wrote: post #126
AlecSchueler wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think it is very reasonable to demand that people try to integrate when coming to a new country - learn the language, get into the culture. What kind of things might be involved in a mandate for people to "get into the culture?"

It’s a hot topic, but in Belgium some people are taught how to take the bus, do their taxes, and not harass women. One of my Dutch teachers led the integration course and said this stuff was really difficult to land. If you come from a culture of groping women, not doing is gonna be a challenge. I get it. But we’ve also built mosques and have pagan festivals and allow public servants to wear their choice of religious…

TIL Belgians don't grope women.
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