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Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Post by cevn »

ninjalanternshk wrote: post #146
valleyer wrote: post #143

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Well, in part because the phenomenon has been discussed on Web forums that (a) have at this point made their way back into training data and (b) are accessible in Web searches that the model can invoke. And in part because the model can "know" what its initial instinct is and "decide" to go against it.

Yeah this is about the worst way you could imagine to evaluate an AI model. If you’d given it a real task you’d have been impressed. I was floored by the day I spent with Fable. Got weeks of work done.

Same. It was one shotting unbelievably well compared to 4.8.

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Post by ninjalanternshk »

jazzyjackson wrote: post #145
valleyer wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, in part because the phenomenon has been discussed on Web forums that (a) have at this point made their way back into training data and (b) are accessible in Web searches that the model can invoke. And in part because the model can "know" what its initial instinct is and "decide" to go against it.

Still it’s like asking an image generator to produce an image without an elephant. Just tell it what you want.

It’s like saying “make this bad animal drawing look better, and like someone else made it” without telling them what animal was supposed to be.

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Post by yggy »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #142
yggy wrote: post #61

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I agree but why is that? Let’s face it - without the humans these machines ain’t shit - aka we have mechanically figured out ways to make machines better than us at certain things (on demand memory) but this idea they are intelligent is horse shit. Btw the bar is low too! Most human created decks are garbage. And yet LLM’s don’t even beat those.

Unfortunately matters of taste like design aren’t as easy to specify

I doubt they’ll ever be.

Machines have nothing to do with what speaks to the human - at best they are media to transmit what a human wants to express.

Having all the data in the world doesn’t solve that. Although if enough of society gets exposed to slop and there is an erosion of taste and quality… in fact I’m gonna stop there. It’s a dark path.

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Post by yggy »

cultofmetatron wrote: post #77
qsxfthnkp2322 wrote: post #2

So now as a regular American we are behind because gatekeepers saying super intelligence is too scary It was bound to happen soon.

SOTA AI is the only place where we are ahead. china has us beat on manufacturing, logistics and workhorse grade models like deepseek pro and glm5.2. we're increasingly irrelevant

Brand too.

American firms are toxic - there’s an implicit gamble they are all making.

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Post by cheema33 »

zzleeper wrote: post #92
cdurth wrote: post #62

I tried the Fugu models with some real world tales in C# and unity using mcp and open code. I exhausted the $20 plan 5 hour window in one prompt to review my theme system and plan some color changes. So I upgraded to the $100 to see the implementation and result. Well the result was worse than Opus, incredibly slow, and I ended up exhausting the new 5 hour window and have used 35% of the weekly now and it hardly crea…

I tested Fable through Cursor; asked for ideas on how to make a data website I have less "Claude-like" (IYKYK what are the usual tells), and it spun out the most useless, Claude-like CSS styling ever, wasting $40 in 10 minutes. The website was created through Opus, so you could also say the results were worse than Opus. (This is just to say that I had the same experience using the US models, so perhaps those Asian mo…

> I tested Fable through Cursor;

I tested Fable for a whole day. And my experience was quite the opposite. I was blown away. Admittedly, I did not try it through a middleman like Cursor. I used Claude Code CLI.

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Post by ihateolives »

khurs wrote: post #130
mksreddy wrote: post #16

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The article talks about 1 Chinese and 1 Japanese model.

Should have said East Asia. As I clicked expecting India from the title (as China are already there and India has so many devs surprising they haven't yet).

Are you from UK perhaps? Because UK is the only place I know where "asian" also includes India and Pakistan. Everywhere else India is sort of separate entity and always mentioned separately.

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Post by gnabgib »

ihateolives wrote: post #156
khurs wrote: post #130

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Should have said East Asia. As I clicked expecting India from the title (as China are already there and India has so many devs surprising they haven't yet).

Are you from UK perhaps? Because UK is the only place I know where "asian" also includes India and Pakistan. Everywhere else India is sort of separate entity and always mentioned separately.

You don't get out much? (in alpha) Asia, Australia, Canada, Europe, Middle-East (sorry, that's a western term) all include west Asia in the definition.

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Post by tpjklpfasdoiuo »

kingforaday wrote: post #7

They have an impressive set of investors [1]. Also, HN Headline [2] from the other day with 100+ comments. 1. https://sakana.ai/company-info/?lang=en 2. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48624782

They also had a fairly humiliating retraction last year,

https://techcrunch.com/2025/02/21/sakana-walks-back-claims-t...

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Post by josephg »

cheema33 wrote: post #155
zzleeper wrote: post #92

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I tested Fable through Cursor; asked for ideas on how to make a data website I have less "Claude-like" (IYKYK what are the usual tells), and it spun out the most useless, Claude-like CSS styling ever, wasting $40 in 10 minutes. The website was created through Opus, so you could also say the results were worse than Opus. (This is just to say that I had the same experience using the US models, so perhaps those Asian mo…

> I tested Fable through Cursor; I tested Fable for a whole day. And my experience was quite the opposite. I was blown away. Admittedly, I did not try it through a middleman like Cursor. I used Claude Code CLI.

Me too. It’s output was fabulous. And it acted like a senior engineer - actually coding up hypotheses, testing them, finding problems and presenting good, usable recommendations backed by solid evidence and wisdom. It can probably do most of my job, which gave me a bit of an existential crisis.

I’ve paused my Claude subscription until they bring it back. Opus makes mistakes constantly, on every level of abstraction. Every time I look closely at its work I find problems.

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Post by jsemrau »

resonious wrote: post #136
jsemrau wrote: post #121

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But did they deliver anything yet? There are many startups with notable founders that are not being able to get models launched. And even if they are able to launch, so they get PMF. In case of Sakana, they clearly focus on the Japanese market an have buildup a good pipeline on sovereign AI. But similar to Aleph Alpha or to a certain extend Mistral, I don't see how they can keep up.

I live in Japan and yet can't seem to pay for their API in JPY... I bet their enterprise customers don't have that problem but it was pretty annoying given "AI in Japan" appears to be there only selling point.

The only way they can compete in Japan is the enterprise-game. Their partnership with Daiwa and MUFG is probably exactly what they should be doing. I doubt that they get that far though. Like Mistral who has partnerships with BNP Paribas and Airbus, they deploy in an on-premise or private cloud and in those settings, their models make good PoC's but cant compete where it gets interesting -- Workspace Agents. If you look at them from a Chatbot over RAG perspective, maybe they can do it. But that's tech from 2023.
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