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Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Patriotism makes people biased. Better to not hold an identity in this area.

People are biased by definition

I’m talking about biases as a noun.

People have many biases. Patriotism is one form of bias. By having no identity you cannot have that form of bias.

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Can you please make your substantive points more thoughtfully? You've been breaking the site guidelines with posts like this.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Edit: also, while I don't doubt that you are sincere, this is excessive: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que....

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Please don't take HN threads into flamewar hell. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

The idea here is: if you have a substantive point, make it thoughtfully; if not, please don't comment until you do.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Without reliable benchmarks, they are Mythos-like only in the sense that they accept text as input and produce text as output.

Well if they are hyped like Mythos then we can add that to the list of “like Mythos”. Perhaps what’s missing is their CEO warning the world that their model is too unsafe to be released on the internet and someone must stop them before it’s too late.

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The gap between grok and Gemini to Claude and chatgpt suggests that yes it is that hard.

I suspect that Grok has been ironically lobotomized by pressures to correct its political views. Similarly, I could imagine the Gemini folks working in a significantly more complex corporate climate, with different parts of Google pushing for different capability focuses. They are only lagging behind less than a year, so it isn't too large of a gap yet. That said, the fact that Anthropic is currently the top dog sugg…

That shouldn’t affect Grok’ coding ability. How often are people discussing politics with Claude code? Writing decent code is just hard and it’s not just Grok.

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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So now as a regular American we are behind because gatekeepers saying super intelligence is too scary It was bound to happen soon.

SOTA AI is the only place where we are ahead. china has us beat on manufacturing, logistics and workhorse grade models like deepseek pro and glm5.2.

we're increasingly irrelevant

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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First impression: Third-party benchmarks or gtfo. Personally, I've never heard of either of these companies before. We're just supposed to take their word that they've matched the best models on the market? Sakana describes their model as a "Orchestration Model." Does that mean that it's actually a bunch of different models glued together?

My impression is that the answer is yes, that it purports to dispense the glue on-the-fly in some kind of dynamic way rather than being some kind of new model-amalgam.

See also contemporaneous reaction at:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48624782 (6 days ago, 244 points, 133 comments)

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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I suspect that Grok has been ironically lobotomized by pressures to correct its political views. Similarly, I could imagine the Gemini folks working in a significantly more complex corporate climate, with different parts of Google pushing for different capability focuses. They are only lagging behind less than a year, so it isn't too large of a gap yet. That said, the fact that Anthropic is currently the top dog sugg…

That shouldn’t affect Grok’ coding ability. How often are people discussing politics with Claude code? Writing decent code is just hard and it’s not just Grok.

It affects their ability to hire and retain talent.

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Actually the real danger is mass labor market disruption, and a massive shift of power from labour to capital. As was highlighted in previous discussions, the industrial revolution took 80 years to start benefiting workers. The continued impact of automation at least contributed to the rise of right wing extremism and an erosion of democracy all over the west. Now we face a development that has the potential to be fa…

> the industrial revolution took 80 years to start benefiting workers Come on. This is dishonesty and isn't the reality. We may agree that the Industrial Revolution may have taken decades (certainly not 80 years) for its benefits to be *clearly and widely* felt by workers, but anything further is an abusive claim. So what, because the progress doesn't benefit to workers instantly, we shouldn't do it ? In the end, wha…

"Carl Benedikt Frey at Oxford has documented that the Industrial Revolution took seventy years before wages and employment recovered for the workers it displaced. In the interim, wages stagnated, the labor share of income collapsed, profits surged, inequality skyrocketed, and the political consequences included the Chartist movement and widespread social upheaval."

From half way through this (meandering) blog post:

https://www.owenmcgrann.com/p/the-dead-economy-theory

As for the populism link, that is well established empirically:

https://academic.oup.com/oxrep/article-abstract/34/3/418/504...

https://www.iza.org/publications/dp/12485/we-were-the-robots...

Etc...

Edit: Just found this when looking up sources, I haven't had time to look at it but just dumping it here:

https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/c...

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