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AI learns the “dark art” of RFIC design

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Re: AI learns the “dark art” of RFIC design

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I have been practicing saying ML for traditional machine learning and LLMs for LLMs for just this reason. Trying not to say AI anymore. Too ambiguous. Sometimes I'm talking about game AI even, I'll try to use shorthand for whatever algorithm I think the AI is using (often I'll talk about its flowchart, though not always sure it's literally using that under the hood).

What is ChatGPT then? Sure it's an LLM, but I can give the app pictures and audio, and it can generate pictures for me. Do we distinguish between the bits of the architecture to accomplish those features separately from the LLM part of the product?

Yes? Or just call it a chatbot if you don't care about the implementation details.

Re: AI learns the “dark art” of RFIC design

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I am confused, every day I read on HN that AI's can just interpolate the data they have seen in training, and that they are structurally incapable of coming up with something new, creative and not in the training distribution.

This is wrong - the training data is necessary but insufficient. There are a lot of other parts of the architectures used that add a lot of value - otherwise Markov chains would be all you need. There are layers upon layers with non linear activation functions, learned residuals, etc. They still absolutely must interpolate but the space they interpolate through is much more complex than the training data, and they can definitely create things not in their training data. What they can not do is wander outside their non linear parameter space’s convex hull. But this is a really permissive constraint on what they can do “creatively.” People generally under estimate the advantage the architectures confer on that constraint. This is why there was a step function change in expressive power as the architectures (attention, self attention, transformers, diffusions, others) evolved given the same training data. Generally though I challenge you to define “creative” in a way that is precise enough to measure and isn’t self referential or refer to concepts ill defined.

The key tho is can they solve problems not easily solved before with prior techniques. Further can they identify problems not readily presented. Then identify novel solutions. Etc. The answer is emphatically yes they can. These features don’t have to literally exist in their training data, but the supporting highly convoluted network of associations of all their training data does have to in some complex space allow for it to produce these answers. It’s not the same as they’re stochastic parrots at all.

Are they creative? No, because they don’t have awareness. My personal imprecise definition of creative requires both self and awareness as well as free will. There is no driving awareness in all AI architectures, it all derives from extrinsic impetus. Creativity is derived, IMO, from a layer of our minds that is not readily assessed or measured and is only indirectly expressed through language, art, and music. Hence it is not directly trainable and therefore a learning model can’t learn it by reinforcement. It can learn the proxies, but the proxies are not, as we all deeply know, the same as our experienced awareness. We are not our words, our art, our music. We try hard to bridge it, but it’s impossible and you and I know this to be true from experience. In fact we can not even examine our own awareness because it’s not directly observable or possible for us to directly reason about. This is core to a lot of philosophy, especially mid and far eastern philosophy of the mind, the self, the five aggregates of Buddhism, etc. Psychology points at it, and modern psychology avoids it because it’s practically difficult for outcome oriented treatments.

Re: AI learns the “dark art” of RFIC design

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I wonder if our common expectation that true theories somehow had to be beautiful and elegant is going to survive the coming century. What if "real" nature phenomenon were actually best described by horrible mess of impossible equations, that only machines could actually manipulate and reason about ?

That would be really sad..

Re: AI learns the “dark art” of RFIC design

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We're learning that people are way too lax with where they apply the term "intelligent". LLMs aren't remotely intelligent, but people are trying to ride the hype train and call them intelligence.

this is just false. by any meaningful measure of intelligence. the latest models are much smarter than the bulk of the population. how would you define intelligence?

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Re: AI learns the “dark art” of RFIC design

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I wonder if our common expectation that true theories somehow had to be beautiful and elegant is going to survive the coming century. What if "real" nature phenomenon were actually best described by horrible mess of impossible equations, that only machines could actually manipulate and reason about ? That would be really sad..

I often think this about medicine and the human body. We want to believe that our bodies are some miraculous well oiled machine. But it often seems that it’s a barely held together bag of mess.

Re: AI learns the “dark art” of RFIC design

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post #83

I wonder if our common expectation that true theories somehow had to be beautiful and elegant is going to survive the coming century. What if "real" nature phenomenon were actually best described by horrible mess of impossible equations, that only machines could actually manipulate and reason about ? That would be really sad..

This has been on my mind lately! Especially in light of the many incomprehensible but machine-checkable proofs we've been hearing about.

Occam's Razor is a useful heuristic, but it biases us towards simpler explanations.

Re: AI learns the “dark art” of RFIC design

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We're relearning that intelligence is spikey, and that different things that we consider 'intelligent' can have vastly different capabilities.

We're learning that people are way too lax with where they apply the term "intelligent". LLMs aren't remotely intelligent, but people are trying to ride the hype train and call them intelligence.

Very much indeed. The term itself is not properly defined, strictly speaking.

Re: AI learns the “dark art” of RFIC design

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I did my PhD on inverse design of electromagnetic structures. I really hate that we're calling this AI when there isn't any training, really.

>To arrive at the “sweet spot” where all these different parameters are balanced into optimal harmony, designers will typically lay out several different versions of the circuit, using intuitions and methods they have picked up in their years of training.

I kind of thought the real success is when the designer comes up with key things that are well beyond their training or any training that could have been done up until that time. Based on their years of experience living in an environment where training is table stakes but that's not the thing that's relied upon the most in the end.

With LLMs it seems like odds are that a concept which is statistically insignificant in the training set may surface in place of a truly novel solution, effectively displacing the real breakthroughs that actually go beyond trainable performance.

In a way that decision-makers can not tell the difference, and that could be the worst part.

Re: AI learns the “dark art” of RFIC design

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I disagree. AI is doing exactly what it was predicted it would in science fiction. The computer can now literally talk to you in natural language and then perfectly produce sophisticated actions in response to completely arbitrary and unstructured input. It trivially passes the Turing test. By any definition prior to the year 2023 we are living with Artificial General Intelligence and it’s here now.

So where are the androids? If it's AGI, why is it used as a tool, waiting to be prompted or executed by humans? Where is Skynet? Military applications still rely on human operators.

You realize llms as a field is barely 5 years old? Give it at least another 5.
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