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AI learns the “dark art” of RFIC design

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Re: AI learns the “dark art” of RFIC design

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Post by fragmede »

silentkat wrote: post #32
t-writescode wrote: post #25

I’m a bit frustrated. AI can do a looot of things; but I think as we continue to muddy the waters between LLMs and more traditional machine learning like Monte Carlo, Genetic Algoriths, Expert Systems and other Statistics magic tricks, we’re too aggressively conflating established and morally neutral activities in ML with the concerns that people have about LLMs and Stable Diffusion. Though I also imagine that that i…

I have been practicing saying ML for traditional machine learning and LLMs for LLMs for just this reason. Trying not to say AI anymore. Too ambiguous. Sometimes I'm talking about game AI even, I'll try to use shorthand for whatever algorithm I think the AI is using (often I'll talk about its flowchart, though not always sure it's literally using that under the hood).

What is ChatGPT then? Sure it's an LLM, but I can give the app pictures and audio, and it can generate pictures for me. Do we distinguish between the bits of the architecture to accomplish those features separately from the LLM part of the product?

Re: AI learns the “dark art” of RFIC design

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Post by kortilla »

vlian2088 wrote: post #51
krainboltgreene wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is such a strange attitude to have. How can you look at the history of the world and be so caustic to concern?

strange how? in the history of the world, had there been a technology that's been wished out of existence by the concerned?

Phrenology

Re: AI learns the “dark art” of RFIC design

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Post by typinghole »

robviren wrote: post #5

Reminds me of good ol genetic algorithm search. Guess and check can be quite powerful, especially if you can toss in agent in the loop guidance. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolved_antenna

This too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolvable_hardware

Starting with: https://sci-hub.ru/storage/moscow/4324/11d145b2c2c3ab320f70b...

Re: AI learns the “dark art” of RFIC design

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Post by krainboltgreene »

vlian2088 wrote: post #51
krainboltgreene wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is such a strange attitude to have. How can you look at the history of the world and be so caustic to concern?

strange how? in the history of the world, had there been a technology that's been wished out of existence by the concerned?

Leaded gasoline.

Re: AI learns the “dark art” of RFIC design

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Post by nextaccountic »

goatlover wrote: post #58
oceanplexian wrote: post #45

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I disagree. AI is doing exactly what it was predicted it would in science fiction. The computer can now literally talk to you in natural language and then perfectly produce sophisticated actions in response to completely arbitrary and unstructured input. It trivially passes the Turing test. By any definition prior to the year 2023 we are living with Artificial General Intelligence and it’s here now.

So where are the androids? If it's AGI, why is it used as a tool, waiting to be prompted or executed by humans? Where is Skynet? Military applications still rely on human operators.

Robotics is advancing a bit slower, but is making progress as well.

Re: AI learns the “dark art” of RFIC design

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Post by goatlover »

nextaccountic wrote: post #65
goatlover wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So where are the androids? If it's AGI, why is it used as a tool, waiting to be prompted or executed by humans? Where is Skynet? Military applications still rely on human operators.

Robotics is advancing a bit slower, but is making progress as well.

Yes, but unlike a lot of science fiction, robots, LLMs and other AI remain tools for human use. Augmented Intelligence would have been the more accurate word for real world AI.

Re: AI learns the “dark art” of RFIC design

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

mdp2021 wrote: post #49
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #33

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I wish I could wave a magic wand and just make the word "AI" go away. It has no actual meaning. It could mean anything from your opponent in Mario Kart to Stable Diffusion.

"AI" == "what (through tech) can replace a professional" It may seem similarly vague, but it does in fact open interesting, productive, and necessary questions. A "computer" was a professional crunching numbers - "replaced", "easily" because of the deterministic procedural nature of said work, but what about the technical effort to arrive there, and what about the less "mechanical" jobs? When do "processes" become "i…

> "AI" == "what (through tech) can replace a professional"

But as you point out, we used to have human calculators. So is a simple desk calculator a form of "AI"? If so, what type of software isn't AI?

Re: AI learns the “dark art” of RFIC design

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Post by vlian2088 »

krainboltgreene wrote: post #64
vlian2088 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

strange how? in the history of the world, had there been a technology that's been wished out of existence by the concerned?

Leaded gasoline.

you know that's not what I meant. also, avgas.

Re: AI learns the “dark art” of RFIC design

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Post by bigstrat2003 »

pixl97 wrote: post #48
georgeecollins wrote: post #28

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It is a problem because people will talk about what AI can do implying that an LLM can do that thing, making it seem like a pure LLM can do almost anything. On the other hand people will say AI will never be able to do X because an LLM can’t do that thing well natively. AI has become too vague of a term to be useful.

We're relearning that intelligence is spikey, and that different things that we consider 'intelligent' can have vastly different capabilities.

We're learning that people are way too lax with where they apply the term "intelligent". LLMs aren't remotely intelligent, but people are trying to ride the hype train and call them intelligence.

Re: AI learns the “dark art” of RFIC design

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Post by pfdietz »

One great application of AI design is patent poisoning. Use AI to churn out masses of variant designs, make them publicly visible on a web site, and if future patents come out use any collisions to invalidate them or at least restrict their scope (generalization of a patent is limited by prior art.)
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