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Re: U.S. allows Anthropic to release Mythos AI to ‘trusted’ US organizations

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Post by bluegatty »

baq wrote: post #458
bluegatty wrote: post #308

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There's huge incentive. The government has arbitrary commandeered their business. This could ruin Anthropic. They are walking a tight rope with respect to revenues, hype, IPO. If this kills their hyper growth prospects, it could kill the IPO. If there's a serious change the gov. is out of line, the judges could put a stay and possibly throw this out. There may however be enough of a case, in which there's maybe not m…

The government, once they see realized potential, will print money and give it to Anthropic if that’s what’s needed to keep developing the technology with gated access.

"will print money ... good gosh.

No, they will not.

Where do all these people come from?

Bond yields are already rising on sovereign debt, if the government resorts to 'printing money', rates will rise materially, debt payments become unsustainable and the economy would crash in a worse way than 'the Great Recession' and it's hard to understand what woudl become of that.

In 1929 the US was not 'global reserve' meaning there was not all that extra leverage in the system.

The US 'hooked' on cheap debt, aka the rest of the world buying USD.

Kind of like leveraged speculation - it has upsides, but the downside is harder.

But that's even before the fact that 'nationalization of Anthropic' would lead to it's instant evaporation.

Have a look at what's going on with the DOJ right now, it's being completely corrupted, 'banana republic' style.

People would be reluctant to have such a thing in 'gov' in normal times, but right now ... things are extremely bad.

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Post by wrsh07 »

K0balt wrote: post #694

The real reason, afaik, that the US is trying to restrict access to SOTA models is that a very large component of USA tailored access and surveillance relies on exploits and weaknesses that these models will easily detect. Thus, it really is an export control issue, but it has nothing to do with offensive capabilities. Offensive capabilities always exist, but pervasive defensibility would upset the asymmetric advanta…

This is the most credible-seeming claim about why a competent administration might suspend access (by any means necessary, but also by export controls) to models like Fable

However, I haven't seen any prominent articles proposing this theory, I haven't seen anyone in the administration gesturing towards this as the reason (but haven't been following too closely)

Do you have any sources?

(And in fact, it seemed like an obvious hypothesis that wasn't getting much air time in the first weekend, but again, I didn't see anybody really staking a claim to it except in a few comments or tweets like this one)

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Post by bluegatty »

itopaloglu83 wrote: post #580
baq wrote: post #458

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The government, once they see realized potential, will print money and give it to Anthropic if that’s what’s needed to keep developing the technology with gated access.

Just replace the word Anthropic with defense contractor or weapons manufacturer, they’re all export controlled at this point, do you see a difference? I really hope the controls are relaxed, but at some arbitrary levels it’s expected that all countries will apply export controls.

The difference is Anthropic is not a defence contractor.

Any number of materials and technology can be used for nefarious purposes.

'Security' is real concern, I'm not denying that, it's not unreasonable for gov. to be paying attention or to take some steps - but it can obviously bee too heavy-handed as well.

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Post by surgical_fire »

ElProlactin wrote: post #739
surgical_fire wrote: post #732

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> Once again, I'm not interested in "who is worse" pissing contests, but please educate yourself. Way to speedrun your argument being shit. I am now free to not take it seriously. I'll reply for the other onlookers anyway. > The Great Leap Forward I know quite well about how awful China was to its own citizens during Mao years, thank you very much. The thing is, I don't care. China can be as awful as it wants to be t…

> The thing is, I don't care. China can be as awful as it wants to be to it's own citizens. Way to speedrun proof that you're an abhorrent person. > Again, I don't care. China sees places like Tibet and Taiwan as China. Not my problem. > China never threated to send troops to invade Greenland. So China causing more than a million deaths and displacements when it actually invaded a functionally sovereign state (Tibet)…

> So China causing more than a million deaths and displacements when it actually invaded a functionally sovereign state (Tibet) and threatening to invade and seize Taiwan, which has its own democratically-elected government, constitution, currency, central bank, military, etc. "is not your problem"

Correct.

> but somehow Trump threatening to invade Greenland is your problem?

Correct.

> Unless you're a Greenlander, by your own standard, you have no legitimate reason to care about the ~57,000 people who live in Greenland

EU, article 42. Educate yourself.

(Just kidding, it would be in vain).

> You're a real piece of...work.

No, I just live in a country that does not pretend to be the world police.

I can't do shit about China invading Tibet or Taiwan, much in the same way I can't do shit about Israel turning Gaza into an open-air Auschwitz, beyond writing mean words on the internet.

But I can recognize what country poses the biggest threat to my living nowadays. That country is not China, it is the US.

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Post by [deleted] »

spwa4 wrote: post #722
chiply314 wrote: post #678

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I would even argue that the USA is imploding without China. The normal USA citicen can't afford a car anymore. Either they make it a lot cheaper over there or they have to continue pressue the USA Citicents to accept that they are not allowed to buy cheap China products. It will be quitei nteresting to see if we will see a global rebalancing of manufactoring and co around the globe for USA, Europe and China or a over…

This is not how economists think. They see the US, go "Coal mining, check. Iron mining, check, so you can make steel inside US. More than enough people, check. Oil, check. As well as 1000 other things, and mostly, the checks are there", and conclude the US could produce cheap cars. So if it makes sense or it becomes urgent enough, it will happen. Nothing is really preventing the US from doing everything itself, and d…

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Post by LoganDark »

IshKebab wrote: post #390
zarzavat wrote: post #314

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Technically the US government is allowing Anthropic to serve the models to any US citizen, and it's Anthropic who decided that's impossible to comply with and so they pulled the model for everyone. I guess a US business with non-citizen employees could work. A lawsuit would be a hard sell though, because Anthropic themselves argued that the technology is dangerous. Even if many people on HN might think that Anthropic…

> Anthropic themselves argued that the technology is dangerous They said Mythos was dangerous, not Fable which is what got banned.

"Mythos-class models" were banned, which includes both Fable and Mythos itself.

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Post by mandeepj »

pythux wrote: post #571
someguyornotidk wrote: post #558

If this becomes the norm, what incentive does the rest of the world have to keep their markets open to the US? If US companies have a large unfair advantage such that domestic competitors are no longer able to compete, then wouldn't it make sense for governments around the world to ban or tariff US products and services? If I was responsible for national economic policy, I would place this at the top of my non-emerge…

It might not be a coincidence that POTUS wrote yesterday on Truth Social that 100% tariffs would be imposed on any country proceeding with taxing US' digital services.

> Truth Social that 100% tariffs would be imposed

Didn’t he already lost that case? And, all the other countries know that.

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Post by bluegatty »

ascorbic wrote: post #626
koolala wrote: post #465

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Being nationalized removes the fear of going out of business. They would become like the post-office but for delivering and centralizing all digitalizable knowledge.

It also removes the potential for growth or any other upside. I doubt there'd be many AI researchers willing to work on civil service salaries.

Most researchers in AU work for a pennance in academia, which is 'kind of almost a wing' of gov. in some ways, at least in sense there's related funding and 'public good'.

But being part of a gov industrial entity would be hard, unless it had 'all the right ingredients'.

Like the modern version of NASA? It's hard to imagine under this administration. But maybe it's plausible with a different mindset.

Also worth remembering NASA exists to counter Sputnick, we think of it as 'space, exploration, science' but it has a 'cold war' underpinning.

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Post by sajithdilshan »

iririririr wrote: post #676
sajithdilshan wrote: post #638

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But can the Europe survive without the US big tech. Imagine the worst case US bans any sort of export from big tech to Europe, all startups and even every tech reliant company in EU would collapse without AWS, Azure or Google cloud. Also imagine ban on exports from Apple and Google, from tomorrow onwards both iPhones and Android phones stops working because software services are banned in EU. It’s so easy to argue on…

that would actually spark a new golden age. aws et all are just extracting rent. we all know this. telcos have some ownership of the android firmware they distribute, and could easily spin up and fund alternatives like replicant or even go full partnership with Chinese versions. simply moving email providers from Microsoft would make threeletter agencies work much more difficult, and it's a 2min dns change. any way y…

Either you’re stupid or ignorant. What do you mean by easily spin up alternative android? And who is going to fund that? EU spend millions of Euros for a corona Warn app, and spinning an android alternative would cost billions, with tax payers money. Also everyone that uses iPhones, what are they going to do? Are they gonna get free android phones?

Forget about phones, all the companies that uses RDS would lose their data and that would be catastrophic.

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