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PlayStation Is Deleting 551 Movies from Customers' Accounts

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Re: PlayStation Is Deleting 551 Movies from Customers' Accounts

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Post by microgpt »

paxys wrote: post #77
kelvinjps10 wrote: post #46

I feel these license agreements have to be set up in such a way people that already bought their movies get to keep them, like okay Sony lost the licences and they shouldn't sell it to new customers but existing customers should get to keep their movies. Since companies don't care the government needs to force their hand and put it into law

The problem is that existing customers don't "have" anything. They stream the movie on demand from Sony's servers. And Sony can't keep the movie on their server anymore. The entire delivery model is broken.

Even if they did download the movie, Sony would be legally required to remotely delete it, because they can. The only way that doesn't happen is if they can't, such as when you download an mp3 on a PC from a company that is not Microsoft.

Re: PlayStation Is Deleting 551 Movies from Customers' Accounts

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Post by microgpt »

fsflover wrote: post #146
encrypted_bird wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd recommend qbittorrent over transmission tbh.

I'd recommend anonymous torrents in I2P over non-anonymous standard implementation.

There's perfectionism and then there's reality.

Re: PlayStation Is Deleting 551 Movies from Customers' Accounts

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Post by microgpt »

wolvoleo wrote: post #143

This is ridiculous. I thought at first that it concerned pirated movies that people were playing on their playstation. But no. It's purchased content. That is being deleted. That's insane. Even if an EULA states they can do this, there should be statutory rights that overrule this. I notice that Sony calls it "previously purchased" content. As if it's ok to do this because it's been a while ago.

There's actually a statutory right that says they have to do this.

Re: PlayStation Is Deleting 551 Movies from Customers' Accounts

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

somat wrote: post #190
ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Water isn't "wet" , but has the ability to "wet" other objects. https://www.sciencefocus.com/science/is-water-wet

it's all just silly semantics but even under the highly specific definition in the article I would say water is wet. the articles definition "a liquid’s ability to maintain contact with a solid surface" Water has this property therefor water is wet. On the topic of silly semantics, science as a discipline has the tendency to paint itself into linguistic paradoxes where the words does not mean what it means. An exampl…

> the articles definition "a liquid’s ability to maintain contact with a solid surface" Water has this property therefor water is wet.

I disagree with your interpretation as that is using "wet" as a verb i.e. water can wet a surface.

I had no idea about the Stonehenge misnomer - I shall attempt to wrangle that into future conversations as I have some friends that are into ancient history/geology.

My favourite naming oddities are usually around fruits and nuts - a banana is a berry, but a strawberry isn't and of course, a brazil nut isn't a nut at all.

Re: PlayStation Is Deleting 551 Movies from Customers' Accounts

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Post by dietr1ch »

lmz wrote: post #155
riffraff wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But the point is the movie industry has been trying to tell us that it is stealing. "You wouldn't still a car" etc etc..

Stilling a car is what the brakes are for.

Brakes are for driving faster. Having the car come to a stop is secondary.

Re: PlayStation Is Deleting 551 Movies from Customers' Accounts

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Post by rpdillon »

lyu07282 wrote: post #173
Telaneo wrote: post #166

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> It actually already got a bit more fuzzy with Blu-Ray and especially with later BD+ doesn't it? You own some encrypted data, but there is absolutely no guarantee you will always have access to a player with the right keys and a TV that is compatible and isn't refusing to play it. Buy this definitions, DVDs are also problematic, given they're also encrypted. Blu-rays are universally cracked by this point, so I fail…

no the difference is CSS (the encryption of DVDs) has been broken, but AACS of Blu-ray has never been broken itself. Cracking it relies on player keys being leaked and those are getting rotated in newer disks, that's what I was hinting at. They also do some ridiculous stuff with obfuscated virtual machines in BD+ and audio watermarking that may mute your ripped disk on newer TVs (I'm not joking[1]). So again: don't b…

Yep, this is the reason I was an avid DVD collector, but when the Blu-ray switch happened, I never rebuilt my collection.

Re: PlayStation Is Deleting 551 Movies from Customers' Accounts

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Post by ksec »

thomasmarton wrote: post #6

Piracy is justified especially when it comes to movies! If I am buying a DVD, I own that copy regardless of the studio and the distributor being in legal trouble or not. If I "buy" or "purchase" something online, I expect the same thing. I'm not always a fan of the EU over-regulating some things but I feel like they should start fining companies who want to re-define the meaning of the word purchase

>I own that copy regardless of the studio and the distributor being in legal trouble or not.

You also get the play the same version stored on DVD regardless where you are. You are limited by location when you purchase it online, and sometimes they might even automatically swap the version / cuts for you depending on your location.

We really need a storage media that last 100+ years, store 200GB+, tiny footprint, and inexpensive to produce.

Re: PlayStation Is Deleting 551 Movies from Customers' Accounts

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Post by jorvi »

hananova wrote: post #136
pseudohadamard wrote: post #110

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> PlayStation Store users who bought movies "PlayStation Store users who bought a limited license to play a movie on approved devices and approved displays, revocable at any moment with no or minimal notice". There, FTFY.

Which I'm fine with, if and only if the "Buy" button is explicitly labeled "Buy a limited, revocable with no notice, license."

They EU could just require these companies to label the button "license" instead of "buy"

Re: PlayStation Is Deleting 551 Movies from Customers' Accounts

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Post by LoganDark »

skywhopper wrote: post #26
LoganDark wrote: post #13

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Renting what? The non-exclusive, revocable license? Because that's what purchase or buy means.

No, that’s not what “purchase” or “buy” means.

It is. You can either be purchasing a license to a movie, or purchasing the movie itself. You have never been purchasing the movie itself from these services, because you're not entitled to it even after you purchase (i.e. there is DRM, etc. preventing you from ever getting it, you don't get it in any alternative forms, etc). If you want to own something, you buy on iTunes, where they let you download DRM-free copies, to do whatever you want with. But if you buy it on PlayStation, Amazon, etc. you are only getting a revocable license. You are only buying a revocable license. That is what "purchase" or "buy" means, because you're "purchasing" or "buying" the license, not the movie

Re: PlayStation Is Deleting 551 Movies from Customers' Accounts

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Post by zenoprax »

fluoridation wrote: post #108
zenoprax wrote: post #103

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I think you're playing language games here. What does an "analog virtual thing" look like? Digital = expressed by discrete bits of encoded digits (1s and 0s). Analog = lossy and necessarily physical A "digital physical thing" is just a physical thing (disc) with digital things encoded on it.

>What does an "analog virtual thing" look like? The image of an apple, stored as an analog signal on a magnetic tape. >A "digital physical thing" is just a physical thing (disc) with digital things encoded on it. Correct, a digital physical thing stores digital virtual things, and an analog physical thing stores analog virtual things.

> image of an apple, stored as an analog signal on a magnetic tape

If I am following along...

analog virtual: representation of apple on photographic film digital physical: disc with film.mkv

Given the two remaining combinations:

analog physical: unexposed photographic film? digital virtual: binary-encoded data (film.mkv)?

Anything beyond this and it becomes a philosophical or metaphysical discussion though.

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