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Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Post by bloppe » Sat, Jun 27, 2026, 2:47 PM UTC

OutOfHere wrote: post #37

fwipsy wrote: post #15

First impression: Third-party benchmarks or gtfo. Personally, I've never heard of either of these companies before. We're just supposed to take their word that they've matched the best models on the market? Sakana describes their model as a "Orchestration Model." Does that mean that it's actually a bunch of different models glued together?

Did Anthropic give you third-party benchmarks? Is that what you said to them? Yes, they're important, but the attitude is wrong.

Anthropic always publishes 3p benchmarks every time they announce a new model

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Post by AndrewKemendo » Sat, Jun 27, 2026, 2:49 PM UTC

fassssst wrote: post #19

lelanthran wrote: post #12

Feels like I need to repeat myself more than once a day now: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48697258 > These companies providing tokens, whether SOTA or not, that want to IPO are so fucked as time goes on. >Can't sell their SOTA models, only slightly better than the open source models for the models they can sell, cost 20x to 50x for good models, a TAM that consists almost solely of developers, with no customer…

> a TAM that consists almost solely of developers That’s the wrong assumption. These models are good at office docs too.

I have yet to see a model that can make a consistent and repeatable powerpoint deck that doesn’t need considerable manual revision

Find me someone who is putting raw text in and getting out a usable weekly staff meeting deck that doesn’t require massive revisions

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Post by lifeformed » Sat, Jun 27, 2026, 2:52 PM UTC

fwipsy wrote: post #15

First impression: Third-party benchmarks or gtfo. Personally, I've never heard of either of these companies before. We're just supposed to take their word that they've matched the best models on the market? Sakana describes their model as a "Orchestration Model." Does that mean that it's actually a bunch of different models glued together?

Is it actually that hard to make good models or is it just about the amount of resources you have to do training? (This is an actual question, I really don't know.) I'm sure it's not trivial but does it really take world class secret knowledge to build off of the known existing techniques? I feel like there's tons of low hanging fruit still to explore, and time and resources are the limiting factor.

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Post by MostlyStable » Sat, Jun 27, 2026, 2:52 PM UTC

bloppe wrote: post #41

OutOfHere wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did Anthropic give you third-party benchmarks? Is that what you said to them? Yes, they're important, but the attitude is wrong.

Anthropic always publishes 3p benchmarks every time they announce a new model

And even if they didn't, they have a track record. Even if we did have benchmarks in this case I would still wait until people got there hands on it and formed a more holistic opinion.

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Post by MostlyStable » Sat, Jun 27, 2026, 2:56 PM UTC

lifeformed wrote: post #43

fwipsy wrote: post #15

First impression: Third-party benchmarks or gtfo. Personally, I've never heard of either of these companies before. We're just supposed to take their word that they've matched the best models on the market? Sakana describes their model as a "Orchestration Model." Does that mean that it's actually a bunch of different models glued together?

Is it actually that hard to make good models or is it just about the amount of resources you have to do training? (This is an actual question, I really don't know.) I'm sure it's not trivial but does it really take world class secret knowledge to build off of the known existing techniques? I feel like there's tons of low hanging fruit still to explore, and time and resources are the limiting factor.

The gap between grok and Gemini to Claude and chatgpt suggests that yes it is that hard.

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Post by w4yai » Sat, Jun 27, 2026, 2:56 PM UTC

Certhas wrote: post #40

w4yai wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is not. Where's the danger ? We will need to adapt, as in every technology progress, but what do you think will happen ? Realistically ? Don't feed the fearmongering. Yes, we're disrupting the status quo, if that's the danger, then welcome to the world.

Actually the real danger is mass labor market disruption, and a massive shift of power from labour to capital. As was highlighted in previous discussions, the industrial revolution took 80 years to start benefiting workers. The continued impact of automation at least contributed to the rise of right wing extremism and an erosion of democracy all over the west. Now we face a development that has the potential to be fa…

> the industrial revolution took 80 years to start benefiting workers

Come on. This is dishonesty and isn't the reality. We may agree that the Industrial Revolution may have taken decades (certainly not 80 years) for its benefits to be *clearly and widely* felt by workers, but anything further is an abusive claim. So what, because the progress doesn't benefit to workers instantly, we shouldn't do it ?

In the end, whatever your position, industrialization eventually raised living standards. So what's wrong with that ?

> The continued impact of automation at least contributed to the rise of right wing extremism and an erosion of democracy all over the west

This is oversimplifying and correlation at the best, not causation

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Post by clusterhacks » Sat, Jun 27, 2026, 2:58 PM UTC

lelanthran wrote: post #12

Feels like I need to repeat myself more than once a day now: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48697258 > These companies providing tokens, whether SOTA or not, that want to IPO are so fucked as time goes on. >Can't sell their SOTA models, only slightly better than the open source models for the models they can sell, cost 20x to 50x for good models, a TAM that consists almost solely of developers, with no customer…

I used to agree with you but now do not. I now think the floor for this market is probably no worse than the annual revenue of cell phone plans in the US market. So say, $250 billion.

Now, that probably doesn't justify the valuations and hype being thrown around, but I think it gets at a real revenue number.

I also don't know how that number fits into the funding rounds already raised and VC dreams of IPOs for these two.

This isn't coming from deep analysis on a verifiable source, but I started asking people in my social circle (includes white-collar and blue-collar folks) about their LLM use. The biggest surprise in 2026 for me was that almost all of these people told me about regular (and sometimes sophisticated) use.

A more intriguing observation - I work on the side with high school students and have two college kids of my own. Their LLM usage (and their peers) is much, much lower than expected . . . that's a little counterintuitive given "popular" perceptions I read.

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Post by Ifkaluva » Sat, Jun 27, 2026, 2:58 PM UTC

fwipsy wrote: post #15

First impression: Third-party benchmarks or gtfo. Personally, I've never heard of either of these companies before. We're just supposed to take their word that they've matched the best models on the market? Sakana describes their model as a "Orchestration Model." Does that mean that it's actually a bunch of different models glued together?

Their release post was on HN recently. The comments seemed to think that it was similar to OpenRouter, not an actual model.

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Post by fwipsy » Sat, Jun 27, 2026, 3:04 PM UTC

lifeformed wrote: post #43

fwipsy wrote: post #15

First impression: Third-party benchmarks or gtfo. Personally, I've never heard of either of these companies before. We're just supposed to take their word that they've matched the best models on the market? Sakana describes their model as a "Orchestration Model." Does that mean that it's actually a bunch of different models glued together?

Is it actually that hard to make good models or is it just about the amount of resources you have to do training? (This is an actual question, I really don't know.) I'm sure it's not trivial but does it really take world class secret knowledge to build off of the known existing techniques? I feel like there's tons of low hanging fruit still to explore, and time and resources are the limiting factor.

Not hard to be a fast follower. Lots of companies are ~6-9 months behind. Reaching the actual bleeding edge is much harder.

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Post by ceejayoz » Sat, Jun 27, 2026, 3:04 PM UTC

nullbio wrote: post #21

prng2021 wrote: post #3

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> Now no one can access ChatGPT 5.6 because of their 5 year long fearmongering regulatory capture campaign.

I'm sympathetic to this arguement, but it's silly to ignore the other half; that the administration has openly feuding with them for months over limits to military capabilities.

https://www.politico.com/news/2026/06/04/hegseth-anthropic-d...