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U.S. allows Anthropic to release Mythos AI to ‘trusted’ US organizations

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Post by dlahoda »

simmerup wrote: post #647
graemep wrote: post #602

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Empty threat conditional on something that will never happen. Most of the rest of the world is too heavily dependent on US digital services to tax them more heavily. From social media to hyperscaler's clouds the US is dominant and stuff will just stop working if they get taxed. There would be a huge pushback from businesses if their government increased the cost of things like AWS. Edit: edit to say tax more heavily

We're only dependent on American services because we trusted America Trump has ruined that, so now we'll be moving to build our own alternatives

What exactly American services did to you that stopped to trust them?

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Post by dlahoda »

dboreham wrote: post #657
graemep wrote: post #602

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Empty threat conditional on something that will never happen. Most of the rest of the world is too heavily dependent on US digital services to tax them more heavily. From social media to hyperscaler's clouds the US is dominant and stuff will just stop working if they get taxed. There would be a huge pushback from businesses if their government increased the cost of things like AWS. Edit: edit to say tax more heavily

They're thinking about taxing more heavily because some bright spark decided to tarrif their exports extremely heavily.

codex sub 200usd. in eu it magically becomes 200eur(hello beuracrates) plus vat. You already taxing 30%. That on top that I pay via mine already heavily taxes money.

Mistral experience was as miserable as running local models btw.

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Post by Mairoce »

mike_hearn wrote: post #654
someguyornotidk wrote: post #564

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I don't think whether a country is an importer or an exporter matters at this point. This is likely going to develop into a matter of national security. Nations cannot allow most of their domestic industries to be destroyed. If the US doesn't reverse course soon, I think we'll start seeing large-scale closure of international markets to US companies very soon. Even with US retaliation, there is no other option.

Zero chance of that happening. Europe has already largely deindustrialized and it never closed itself to China. Europe also tried to stop buying Russian oil and failed due to transshipment through India. It's really sad seeing how little so many of us Europeans understand the situation. America and China hold all the cards, Europe holds none. It makes very little that is both unique and strategic. Decades of left win…

Please tell us more about how “left wing economic policies” have destroyed Europe.

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Post by davidjade »

Maxious wrote: post #498
nazgob wrote: post #384

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Does it apply to USA citizens and organizations as well?

Fun fact the 1996 cryptography restrictions have never been repealed. You just haven't heard of them as open source software has broadly been exempted https://www.linuxfoundation.org/resources/publications/under...

That’s also probably why when publishing apps to app stores you have to attest to the forms of encryption your app uses.

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Post by AussieWog93 »

kulahan wrote: post #397
varjag wrote: post #395

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Not sure why people here are so upbeat about China. It is almost guaranteed it will also introduce export controls on the models.

I’ve been asking myself this question quite a bit lately. People seem to suddenly think China is a good alternative to the US hegemony status. I sincerely hope I’m just misreading things.

As an Aussie, I see it as a good thing that the US has competition. Wouldn't want China to become dominant either, though.

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Post by chiply314 »

spwa4 wrote: post #562
someguyornotidk wrote: post #558

If this becomes the norm, what incentive does the rest of the world have to keep their markets open to the US? If US companies have a large unfair advantage such that domestic competitors are no longer able to compete, then wouldn't it make sense for governments around the world to ban or tariff US products and services? If I was responsible for national economic policy, I would place this at the top of my non-emerge…

The US as a large-scale import nation and so does not need the rest of the world (except perhaps Europe, and only small parts) to keep its markets open to the US. Even in the European case, Europe would lose much more than the US would if they closed their markets. Plus, a lot of Europe is either very close to breaking point and unwilling to change (Italy), or rapidly worsening into a crash, and unwilling to change (…

What the Clown currently does is to push Europe massivly into exactly this.

I can't find it right now but I read news just a few month ago that the EU is working on making it easier to invest into EU similiar to how the Petrodollar currently works.

But if the deindustrialization of germany/EU continues as it currently does and US implodes and China has also issues, we will see how the new world order will look like.

China is for sure more resiliant though. The living standards were never as high as what we as germans are used to and they dont demonstrate.

In the USA people have guns and civil issues and a hard divide between city and country sides.

But as Europe/Germany we should be able to increase our bonds right? Investing into solar/energy transformation; Doesn't matter short term how this will end.

And if AI continues as it does with robotics, we might even see in 50-100 years a complete change in system?

USA Bonds are exploding so they might have overplayed their hand already.

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Post by tarpitt »

Matl wrote: post #537
qtk8 wrote: post #481

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It could be that the us govt doesn't want china to execute distillation attacks and narrow the gap.

The framing distillation 'attacks' is a propaganda psyop.

I think it is a reasonable term to use in the context of adversarial AI development. Does that mean I am getting paid by the CIA or something?

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Post by dlahoda »

graemep wrote: post #623
masfuerte wrote: post #616

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Eh? We already tax them. The UK is not alone in having a digital services tax.

Sorry, meant tax more heavily. Uk's tax is 2% and limited to advertising and marketplace fees.

You forgot to write ZERO after TWO.

20% VAT to begin with payed with heavily taxed money of mine.

Than on top of payed by provider of services to UK gov machine making 10usd sub be 10£ sub.

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Post by mrtksn »

someguyornotidk wrote: post #558

If this becomes the norm, what incentive does the rest of the world have to keep their markets open to the US? If US companies have a large unfair advantage such that domestic competitors are no longer able to compete, then wouldn't it make sense for governments around the world to ban or tariff US products and services? If I was responsible for national economic policy, I would place this at the top of my non-emerge…

The incentive is that Americans are huge consumers and closing markets to US also means losing US markets, that's why Trump's taxation on Americans for imports(AKA tariffs) caused huge stir. That said, if the risk is not tolerable then it's not worth it and can be sacrificed. EU was fully on board to do that if Trump invaded Greenland and EU as rest of the world are aggressively diversifying.

BTW EU will never have a "tech" industry in any meaningful size as long as US have access to EU markets, anyone who eventually got tech industry are those who blocked the US or were blocked by US.

So if US keeps its course, in a few years we may end up with fragmented markets with US blocked out because the US is very unpopular but the current politicians everywhere including in the EU are very pro-US actually hoping that current situation is just a glitch, which is not aligned with what the general population demands and as a result the next elections they will align with anti-Americans.

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