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U.S. allows Anthropic to release Mythos AI to ‘trusted’ US organizations

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Post by polski-g »

brokencode wrote: post #98
paytonjjones wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's always been a relative, rather than absolute statement. Genuine question: if Democrats take power, do you expect them to be more interventionist or less interventionist with respect to AI? Bernie's jockeying leads me to suspect "more", but I could very well be wrong. (FWIW I personally think modern AI falls in the small realm of potentially dangerous technologies that merit careful, ideally bipartisan, governm…

I think they’d try to get something through Congress to regulate the industry in a rules-based way. The current admin flies by the seat of their pants and at least creates the perception of political decision making.

Congress did regulate weapons access when they passed the AECA almost 50 years ago. The rules have been refined via ITAR over time. This isn't arbitrary.

Re: U.S. allows Anthropic to release Mythos AI to ‘trusted’ US organizations

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ElProlactin wrote: post #412
johnisgood wrote: post #389

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, because criticizing the US, and/or making China look good can get you on certain lists. Maybe that is the reason? FWIW I do not buy into the "China bad, we good" narrative either. The US has done really fucked up things, bombed countries for freedom, there has been recent events as well. I do not even think they were ever the "good guys" they thought they are. In Hollywood movies, sure, but in reality? Nah.

> Yeah, because criticizing the US, and/or making China look good can get you on certain lists. What lists? And what happens to people on those lists? > Maybe that is the reason? If you think people are signing up throwaway accounts to post replies to random comments, making no substantive or even controversial statements, I have a bridge to sell you. In the US or China. Take your pick. > FWIW I do not buy into the "…

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Post by theplumber »

goldenarm wrote: post #450

Is there a world where frontier labs move to somewhere else like London to escape the business hurdles of the US? There are trillions at stake, is it a plausible scenario?

London sucks, not to mention the UK’s political future seems even more nationalistic than MAGA

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Post by cherryteastain »

merek wrote: post #452
goldenarm wrote: post #450

Is there a world where frontier labs move to somewhere else like London to escape the business hurdles of the US? There are trillions at stake, is it a plausible scenario?

Why London of all places?

It's the place outside US and China with the greatest concentration of AI talent. Deepmind was founded in London for instance.

Sadly UK is fully into nanny state "safetyism" culture so I am not convinced it'd be better.

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Post by goldenarm »

merek wrote: post #452
goldenarm wrote: post #450

Is there a world where frontier labs move to somewhere else like London to escape the business hurdles of the US? There are trillions at stake, is it a plausible scenario?

Why London of all places?

Talent concentration, little tech regulation, English speaking, decent funding, close to GMT. There's a reason why a big chunk Google deepmind is already there.

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Post by johnisgood »

ElProlactin wrote: post #412
johnisgood wrote: post #389

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, because criticizing the US, and/or making China look good can get you on certain lists. Maybe that is the reason? FWIW I do not buy into the "China bad, we good" narrative either. The US has done really fucked up things, bombed countries for freedom, there has been recent events as well. I do not even think they were ever the "good guys" they thought they are. In Hollywood movies, sure, but in reality? Nah.

> Yeah, because criticizing the US, and/or making China look good can get you on certain lists. What lists? And what happens to people on those lists? > Maybe that is the reason? If you think people are signing up throwaway accounts to post replies to random comments, making no substantive or even controversial statements, I have a bridge to sell you. In the US or China. Take your pick. > FWIW I do not buy into the "…

My previous comment got flagged about a minute after I posted it to you. It was three paragraphs and it argued a position without any abuse in it. It is probably someone in this thread who hit flag instead of replying because they did not like what I said. Which is suspicious, and it is also the thing I was already talking about. The throwaway shill insinuation earlier was a way to avoid engaging with a disagreement, and a flag does the same job. Welp.

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Post by baq »

bluegatty wrote: post #308
threethirtytwo wrote: post #291

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Also there’s no incentive to fight. They already have one of the best models. Mythos remains a trump card when a competitor releases an even better model.

There's huge incentive. The government has arbitrary commandeered their business. This could ruin Anthropic. They are walking a tight rope with respect to revenues, hype, IPO. If this kills their hyper growth prospects, it could kill the IPO. If there's a serious change the gov. is out of line, the judges could put a stay and possibly throw this out. There may however be enough of a case, in which there's maybe not m…

The government, once they see realized potential, will print money and give it to Anthropic if that’s what’s needed to keep developing the technology with gated access.

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Post by sschueller »

varjag wrote: post #395
sschueller wrote: post #382

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The LLM improvement curve will level off and with so many AI engineering being in China they will catch up quickly. The financial growth based on that everyone on earth will need to have an OpenAI or Anthropic subscription is quickly falling apart. DeepSeek V4 is good enough for most of my work that that I can no longer justify paying 100x for something else. The cost difference is astronomical.

Not sure why people here are so upbeat about China. It is almost guaranteed it will also introduce export controls on the models.

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Post by TiredOfLife »

OtherShrezzing wrote: post #426

What’ll happen when Google Deep Mind go to release their next models, developed mostly in London? Are Google going to end up in a situation where the people working on their models cannot use the models after launch?

Restrictions are on good models. You might as well ask what would happen when Microsoft open sources Office
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