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U.S. allows Anthropic to release Mythos AI to ‘trusted’ US organizations

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Post by seizethecheese »

siva7 wrote: post #294
mlinsey wrote: post #59

I understand why Anthropic might not want to fight this particular one in court, because they're trying to convince the administration to let them move forward. But would another company who is not on the trusted partner list and has less to lose taking on the admin have standing to sue here? On the basis of the export control being illegal and this putting their business at a disadvantage vs. competitors with access

sue? whom? usa? have fun..

US government regularly loses lawsuits and has to backtrack policy.

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Post by preg_match »

twoodfin wrote: post #262
preg_match wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That repealing the chevron doctrine was a calculated play in the unitary executive theory. We all know congress is basically useless these days. But we also know that regulation isn’t, like, optional. It’s going to happen no matter what. So what’s left? Where does that decision making go? Turns out the executive, so that’s what we’ve been seeing and it’s largely uncontested. This should have been obvious to most peop…

Repeal of the Chevron doctrine took the power of deference away from executive agencies and replaced it with first-principles judicial interpretation of statutes. Chevron and the unitary executive theory have essentially nothing to do with each other. I’m still not sure what point is attempting to be made here.

In effect, it did not. All it said is that the powers enumerated to those executive agencies must be more explicitly laid out by congress. But, that’s just not something that’s going to happen.

So, the gap has been filled largely by executive orders.

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Post by the_gastropod »

Alupis wrote: post #221
preg_match wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It wasn’t. Biden largely didn’t do much. The trump administration does illegal things that get struck down in courts on a daily basis. We’re all very desensitized to it. But yes, Biden was old and cognitively not well. But his “whims” didn’t exist much, and they were always fairly reasonable. Trump is the most unreasonable president, most likely in US history. I would even categorize Andrew Jackson as more restrained…

The courts struck down many Biden policies as well. People just give those a pass because "SCOTUS is rigged" or something...

Ah, so those weren’t mostly 6-3 decisions along partisan lines?

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Post by naturalmovement »

intrasight wrote: post #95
mlinsey wrote: post #59

I understand why Anthropic might not want to fight this particular one in court, because they're trying to convince the administration to let them move forward. But would another company who is not on the trusted partner list and has less to lose taking on the admin have standing to sue here? On the basis of the export control being illegal and this putting their business at a disadvantage vs. competitors with access

They could just ignore Trump as he has no authority to so limit a private company.

Ignoring US export control laws that have been on the books for nearly 50 years is a good way to pay millions of $ in fines and/or land in pound-me-in-the-ass prison.

Ask every satellite launch company in the 90s how that worked out.

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Post by sgc »

varenc wrote: post #240
conartist6 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

isn't this materially different in that it creates a kind of class system within the US?

how so? Is it a class system that only Raytheon employees can work on cruise missiles, not the average citizen? (edit: not that these models are equivalent to missiles oc)

Cruise missiles are not general purpose tools, it's obviously not even remotely similar. Virtually everybody reading this could use Mythos immediately to do real work, collectively in virtually every part of the economy.

It's pretty problematic to not make it more widely available at least to US businesses, and there is not even a vetting process to get approved quickly and easily. If this is the new norm, the intended or unintended consequences of this type of gatekeeping will be an unprecedented consolidation of power amongst the largest corporations. Even more than we have seen over the last 20 years.

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Post by naturalmovement »

mlinsey wrote: post #59

I understand why Anthropic might not want to fight this particular one in court, because they're trying to convince the administration to let them move forward. But would another company who is not on the trusted partner list and has less to lose taking on the admin have standing to sue here? On the basis of the export control being illegal and this putting their business at a disadvantage vs. competitors with access

Export control is not illegal where are you coming up with this stuff?

Claiming ignorance is a good way to pay tens of millions of $ in fines or do prison time.

Here's one from TWO DAYS AGO:

https://www.justice.gov/usao-edny/pr/manager-us-freight-forw...

She will be doing 18 months in federal lockup.

The people in charge of enforcing US export law are worse than city building inspectors and the penalties are orders of magnitude more severe. They're not people you want to mess with, ignore, or pretend you didn't know the rules.

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Post by bluegatty »

threethirtytwo wrote: post #291
mlinsey wrote: post #59

I understand why Anthropic might not want to fight this particular one in court, because they're trying to convince the administration to let them move forward. But would another company who is not on the trusted partner list and has less to lose taking on the admin have standing to sue here? On the basis of the export control being illegal and this putting their business at a disadvantage vs. competitors with access

Also there’s no incentive to fight. They already have one of the best models. Mythos remains a trump card when a competitor releases an even better model.

There's huge incentive.

The government has arbitrary commandeered their business.

This could ruin Anthropic.

They are walking a tight rope with respect to revenues, hype, IPO.

If this kills their hyper growth prospects, it could kill the IPO.

If there's a serious change the gov. is out of line, the judges could put a stay and possibly throw this out.

There may however be enough of a case, in which there's maybe not much they can do.

Having a crazy person completely control your business is very, very bad.

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Post by nozzlegear »

wasting_time wrote: post #174
1over137 wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stop contributing now. Why wait?

Claude makes me a 10x better programmer. Giving that up I might as well switch to llama farming.

It just makes you think you're a 10x better programmer. In reality you've just given yourself 10x more busywork because "Claude can handle it." For the parts that Claude has actually improved your programming, the open models compete just fine.
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