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U.S. government will decide who gets to use GPT-5.6

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Post by jhancock »

logicchains wrote: post #561
jhancock wrote: post #75

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From my perspective curtailing Ant's plans was positive regulatory action. Political priorities and good governance is why we have government.

Seems like a pretty terrible idea in hindsight, destroying private lending, given how desperately the government is trying and failing to raise domestic consumption now.

The private lending held back involved a) high interest rates b) unconventional methods of governance/collections which would be somewhat decoupled from Ant's lending platform down to the local level of collections.

An example of the ugly side of China private lending is what is termed "flesh loans". A young girl is forced to have nude pictures taken of her to secure her high interest loan repayment. Ant was going to put hundreds of billions in capital backing loans that had loosely controlled and often unethical/violent collections system.

Yes, curtailing loads of easy capital can be at odds with pressing domestic consumption growth. In this case, I think the government made a tough but decent decision.

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Post by samatman »

sajithdilshan wrote: post #278

This is the last wake up call for EU. After China starts controlling their models, in 5 years EU would be left with archaic technology compared to other major economies

In five years Europe will be buying their inference machines from Apple, like everyone else.

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Post by eru »

jmward01 wrote: post #712
hollerith wrote: post #695

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>I can train insainly powerful models on my laptop Explain. The labs have been spending about $100 million in compute to train a model.

Give me three ish months and, I hope, to show exactly what I mean!

Please go ahead. If you are right, you can raise billions of dollars for your startup.

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Post by eru »

colinsane wrote: post #792
jmward01 wrote: post #604

This is regulatory capture in action. This will make it hard/impossible for new vendors to come into the market and only established companies will get to play, and charge, for LLMs. What does this mean for open source? Will it become illegal to download weights? What about train your own? Are we heading to a world where GPU use is regulated to ensure that illegal LLMs aren't being processed on your machine? More bro…

Buy Bitcoin. look, i'm sorry, but this is a thoroughly solved problem by now.

How does owning some bitcoins let you run a powerful LLM?

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Post by mikestorrent »

iAMkenough wrote: post #713
microgpt wrote: post #680

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How is this regulatory capture? Any new LLM company can just exist outside of the US and export to everyone.

Until they can’t.

Right. That's what sanctions can accomplish...

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Post by orbifold »

Avicebron wrote: post #762
tadasv wrote: post #749

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I hope that open models will dominate. The difficult part to reconcile for me is the amount of compute that's required to create and run such models. Small models are fine, I run local llms 27b param on a gpu, but it's not even close to frontier in capability. Who wants to drop $40k+ on hardware to run these things. Companies, maybe/perhapts. On the other hand, to run a DB I can get a server for $3k and handle tons o…

Has anyone tried to run a data center as a Co-Op?

I was thinking that would be great, too. What would be the equivalent for the property developer: one gpu server is 450k.

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Post by mmaunder »

The new normal for the next decade: You must protect the public from us and all others, and we are your closest ally so we make your rules for us and our competition. This wasn’t a lucky outcome. They laid the groundwork years ago with the AI “ethics” movement and this was the play all along.

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Post by no-name-here »

mediaman wrote: post #628
foota wrote: post #615

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What? This is the opposite of regulatory capture. Neither anthropic nor openai are getting to choose what happens with their models.

Regulatory capture doesn't necessarily mean the regulated get to decide what the regulators do in precise steps. It can simply mean they support and exist within a regulatory regime that greatly benefits the regulated. In fact, you generally don't want them directly telling the regulators what to do. Instead, the regulators make complex, costly rules that only large establishment players can follow. The regulators lo…

How does this benefit the regulated? I'd say it dooms the regulated:

* with the government requiring the regulated to obtain approval to add each customer, they're losing a massive number of their customers

* and even if a customer gets approved, every such customer now sees that access to the regulated can (and has been) shutoff with no notice if the gov doesn’t like the provider or customer - it's now a massive supply chain risk for any customer to use a regulated provider

* the regulated losing a massive part of their customer base for both of the above reasons means significant impairment of their revenue, as well as their valuation, and staying ahead of their competitors and open models requires massive ongoing investment

Open models are mere months behind.

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Post by celdon25 »

eru wrote: post #804
colinsane wrote: post #792

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Buy Bitcoin. look, i'm sorry, but this is a thoroughly solved problem by now.

How does owning some bitcoins let you run a powerful LLM?

I take it you've never known anyone who has tried to run even a small consumer AI company. Do you think that they all independently come up with the same censorship rules, despite no law mandating them? Why do you think that is? That they are just that well-thought out that everyone happens to agree with that same intersecting boundary?
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