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Post by wood_spirit »

SkitterKherpi wrote: post #62

So them banning Fable for only non-Americans is what we non-Americans should expect to be the norm going forward? Way to build even more resentment abroad. I'm very pro-west, but at this point okay, I guess the rest of us have to side with China, not because we remotely like it, but because they don't try to be quite so antagonistic to us in everything they do.

Expect the US to sanction non-US-controlled models and put sanctions on individuals, companies and countries that use them? They already do this with other things like oil.

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Post by pu_pe »

piokoch wrote: post #47

One more wake up call for anyone outside USA, especially Europe. AI will be weaponized, on the battle ground too, but the bigger battle will be fought in the industry competition. Those who have access to state of the art models will have advantage over those who does not. Hopefully open-weight models will catch up, hopefully we, as the people, engineers will find the way to maintain those open-weight models on pair…

Europe is in the worst spot right now, because even if open source is the future, there is not enough European-owned datacenters even for inference. Not to mention that China could pull the rug on these models at any moment just like the US did.

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Post by 15155 »

avaer wrote: post #55
bilekas wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's looking good until you start to see the US gov forcing cloudflare to block hugging face and others.

They'll just make it a crime to run the models unless they authorize you (classifying it as a munition, like they tried to do with encryption), and if your power bill is suspicious you'll find yourself in jail. Any company providing the models will be deemed a threat to national security. No need to block the download.

Citizens were and are free to use the technology (cryptography and every other export-controlled item); your "power bill is suspicious, go to jail" FUD doesn't really track with history.

> Any company providing the models will be deemed a threat to national security.

Any company providing specifically-controlled models to foreigners would hypothetically be prosecuted.

Re: U.S. government will decide who gets to use GPT-5.6

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Post by dtj1123 »

automatic6131 wrote: post #67
SkitterKherpi wrote: post #62

So them banning Fable for only non-Americans is what we non-Americans should expect to be the norm going forward? Way to build even more resentment abroad. I'm very pro-west, but at this point okay, I guess the rest of us have to side with China, not because we remotely like it, but because they don't try to be quite so antagonistic to us in everything they do.

>because they don't try to be quite so antagonistic to us in everything they do. Just because the many headed dragon is trying to bite your sailors' heads doesn't mean you should pilot your ship into the whirlpool

I couldn't have put it better myself.

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Post by jhancock »

wewewedxfgdf wrote: post #34

Remember how China turned its tech industry into a smoking ruin - make making them all submit to political priorities: Ant Group: China halted Ant’s IPO and forced a restructuring Alibaba: China fined and politically disciplined Alibaba Didi: China punished Didi after its US listing by removing its apps, freezing users, forcing delisting Tutoring platforms: banned profit from core school-subject tutoring. Tencent gam…

From my perspective curtailing Ant's plans was positive regulatory action.

Political priorities and good governance is why we have government.

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Post by orwin »

wewewedxfgdf wrote: post #34

Remember how China turned its tech industry into a smoking ruin - make making them all submit to political priorities: Ant Group: China halted Ant’s IPO and forced a restructuring Alibaba: China fined and politically disciplined Alibaba Didi: China punished Didi after its US listing by removing its apps, freezing users, forcing delisting Tutoring platforms: banned profit from core school-subject tutoring. Tencent gam…

Some of these were very good decisions imho, from someone who spent two months in Chineese rural area around ~2019.

- Tutoring platforms were a plague on Chineese youth that increased the weight of their already _very_ heavy load (tbh, i think and education reform might have been preferable, this is a stopgap, but at least it is something).

- Ant group was offering predatory consumption loans to rural China, which to me felt a lot like the "revolver credits" that plagued my country in the 80s and 90s and pushed to many to suicide (the surname cam from their english name, "revolving credit", and because my countryside had a lot of hunting rifle available to whomever). Considering how rural china is mistreaded by Chineese state and general government (and imho this is a real weakness in China politics), having this group by a huge fine for their practice and a general debt forgivness was great. Curtailing Ant's power is also good.

- Stopping consolidation is a great way to keep a market free.

- Crypto companies: mining diverted power from villages who couldn't compete on purchasing power to mining wharehouses in some state. The ban is great for the rural population at least. Also, if that can curtail the birth of Chineese cryptobros, great for the mental health of the country.

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Post by matheusmoreira »

margorczynski wrote: post #50
NooneAtAll3 wrote: post #22

"government needs to step in and regulate ai" "wait, not like that"

Anth/OpenAI simply wanted the government to pull the ladder after them and ban models from China. Seems it blew in their faces and probably the new frontier models will be available only to a select few. Many people predicted this, only a naive person would believe that access to something with these capabilities would be decided by some dude in California.

As entertaining as the sheer Schadenfreude of the situation is, this is terrible for foreign peasants like myself. It no longer makes any sense to pay for America's frontier AI models. I'd be funding the training of models I will never be able to use.

GLM 5.2 is competitive with Opus 4.6. If the best model I'll ever get is Opus 4.8, then the choice is clear. I'll miss Opus.

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Post by 15155 »

wood_spirit wrote: post #71
SkitterKherpi wrote: post #62

So them banning Fable for only non-Americans is what we non-Americans should expect to be the norm going forward? Way to build even more resentment abroad. I'm very pro-west, but at this point okay, I guess the rest of us have to side with China, not because we remotely like it, but because they don't try to be quite so antagonistic to us in everything they do.

Expect the US to sanction non-US-controlled models and put sanctions on individuals, companies and countries that use them? They already do this with other things like oil.

Can you cite any examples of a US citizen being sanctioned for importing foreign technology (not exporting)? Please don't cite anything OFAC-related, it does not apply here.

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Post by testfrequency »

FinnLobsien wrote: post #58
testfrequency wrote: post #31

+1 point to China! In all seriousness, I can’t believe the AI firms are abiding by this peacefully. If I truly loved my company, and I felt we were on the bleeding edge of incredible, life changing products, why would I allow my company to be set up for failure by remaining somewhere that clearly wants control over the sovereignty. The US gov sees these AI companies as bartering power, not as innovation. Wouldn’t you…

I think it’s pretty clear why they’re abiding by this: -the US is the only place where you can raise the kinds of money you need to run a lab like this. -a government that won’t let you sell products to customers abroad will probably object even more to you moving abroad. Even if you made the move abroad, that government might no longer let you access US data centers. -This basically affects OpenAI and Anthropic, whi…

The elephant in the room is that the US AI firms should not be as valuable as they are. They should not require the sort of capital they are seeking, the amount of employees, the amount of offices and resources..but they are so steeped in investor interests - why stop being fed?

Many Americans want AI to fail. The US gov wants to control AI. The AI companies are running out of things to do, and are shipping product after product after product to keep the perceived productivity narrative alive.

At this rate I would not be surprised to see an OAI/Anthropic merger just to throw everything AI the US has to offer to the global markets.

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Post by sonink »

There is an assumption that everyone is making here - that China will not do the same. It is entirely possible, that China restricts their frontier models - as and when they are developed - to only Chinese citizens. And India follows along.

IMO AI is different from everything else. It is a weapon as potent as nuclear. It is only natural that it be treated as one.

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