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Hey Nico, you didn't vibe code your data room but stole it from Papermark

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Re: Hey Nico, you didn't vibe code your data room but stole it from Papermark

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Post by alsetmusic »

gilleain wrote: post #286
gweinberg wrote: post #284

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They don't. LEOs will routinely conduct searches without any warrant or probable cause and if they find anything and the defense tries to have it thrown out, the LEO will say the search was "voluntary". Similarly, they will say people were "voluntarily detained" if they don;t know to ask "am I free to go?" Calling yourself a sovereign citizen will get you nowhere. Saying "I don't consent to this search" will not prev…

I see that I was unclear - I did not mean "the law goes along with this, and I don't know why?" I meant "I do not understand why Sov. Cit. would believe that the law would agree to these ideas".

> I meant "I do not understand why Sov. Cit. would believe that the law would agree to these ideas".

It's an insane degree of self-delusion. No sane and rational person would believe that society had a loophole that allows people to opt-out of following laws by chanting magic invocations and then didn't close the hole after multiple people successfully exploited it.

Said more clearly: the only thing that makes you immune from following the law is wealth and status, and even then it's not guaranteed. You have to be unreasonable to think that as an ordinary joe-schmo you could beat the system in any significant fashion without those.

The worst part is that they manage to get cases dismissed by getting charged for actual crimes that are small and petty, then feel vindicated when charges get dropped, thus leading to perpetuation of their lunatic behavior. They fail to realize that they've been the lucky beneficiary of an overworked DA and a strained system and instead see proof that they were right the whole time. I know this because I hear them say how their cases always get dropped as they get arrested for refusing to provide a driver's license (a crime if operating a motor vehicle on state roads) and other petty crimes in YouTube bodycam videos.

I've been fascinated by this ideology for at least five or six years. Fortunately, people in government are wise to them now. Cops used to be genuinely confused by their babble, but cops and judges now call it out right away by the language and arguments. "I'm traveling" and "Who is the injured party by me not having registration? I move to dismiss due to lack of jurisdiction!"

Re: Hey Nico, you didn't vibe code your data room but stole it from Papermark

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Post by alsetmusic »

cmgriffing wrote: post #115
throwawalien wrote: post #112

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I never made it to the interview phase because on the phone screen they mentioned they all work 7 days a week in office. nope nope nope nope.

We should thank companies for warning us during the interview process that they are so separated from reality (especially in the AI era) If AI can’t make them recognize a work life balance has value then it’s easy to see they don’t believe the “force multiplier” BS they are peddling

I got LinkedIn notifications for both Anthropic and OpenAI with my exact job description, but at 3-4x the pay. I said hell no. They would want me to actually work. The job I have now is easy. Plus, they're slated for mass layoffs when the market realigns. I work a gov job that's protected from market layoffs and the security of that is too good to give up.

Re: Hey Nico, you didn't vibe code your data room but stole it from Papermark

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Post by philipdavis »

nfw2 wrote: post #106
lorey wrote: post #91

Their response: > The team that made dataroom has stated that they did not use any of papermark’s code and that dataroom was made from scratch with inspiration from existing document sharing softwares, and that this post’s allegations of us stealing code are false. [...] The screenshots clearly show they copied whole pages verbatim, both design and texts. The founder, Nico Laqua, basically responding with "we didn't…

I did an interview a couple years ago when Corgi was first hiring engineers. Nico and I ... did not click and it was probably the least smooth interview I've ever had despite it just being a phone screen. I wouldn't be that surprised if Nico genuinely thinks "we didn't copy the code" is a reasonable defense. It would be a clear cut rule, and extreme "shape rotator" types often have trouble with the fuzziness of thing…

didnt click Genuinely Just curious, did you write this with llm?

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retornam wrote: post #282

I used to have a lot of respect for YC and the kind of founders it used to attract. However, over the past few years, they have started attracting a certain type of founder that most people wouldn’t associate with. The decline in the quality of YC's founder pool and founder reputation is tarnishing its brand, but I doubt anyone there realizes it, or is willing to publicly admit it. It’s egregious that a portfolio com…

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Re: Hey Nico, you didn't vibe code your data room but stole it from Papermark

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Post by palmotea »

datsci_est_2015 wrote: post #281
palmotea wrote: post #200

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> It would be a clear cut rule, and extreme "shape rotator" types... It had to look that slang up: https://roonscape.ai/p/a-song-of-shapes-and-words . > ...often have trouble with the fuzziness of things like law. In reality, copyright infringement is often more like the porn test, you know it when you see it. I'd say it's more like the fuzziness defeats most of the software-style "exploits" those types gravitate tow…

> For instance: you can crash a machine by DoSing it, but you can't crash a court case the same way: the judge will look at you and your truckload of motions and hold you in contempt. I mean, not to nitpick, but isn’t endlessly filling motions a often-used method to deny justice and avoid consequences, especially in the US?

> I mean, not to nitpick, but isn’t endlessly filling motions a often-used method to deny justice and avoid consequences, especially in the US?

I would imagine that those motions at least have some plausible legal merit.

A software engineer would file a literal truckload of motions that each say "poop", and feel very clever about their "expliot."

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Post by dzhiurgis »

GTP wrote: post #182
dzhiurgis wrote: post #134

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> Please contact model provider {name} for further inquiries That would be my cynical response.

Which would bring you nowhere. If they didn't change this at some point, I remember at the time everyone was staring to use ChatGPT that OpenAI wrote in their terms that the user is responsible for the model's output. If they can do this, I expect other model providers doing this as well.

Is there precedent where that clause was enforced?

Re: Hey Nico, you didn't vibe code your data room but stole it from Papermark

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Post by VibrantClarity »

handoflixue wrote: post #298
VibrantClarity wrote: post #293

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Weird Al asks permission from every artist he parodies.

Because he is polite, not because he is required to. The Supreme Court has confirmed this.

That's debatable and would have to be proven in court. Weird Al's works aren't really critiques of the original songs so a parody defense would be very difficult to make. One could argue that the humor in his lyrics could have been set to another tune to the same effect, making his appropriation of copyrighted material unnecessary and therefore not fair use.

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Post by OrangeMusic »

lorey wrote: post #91

Their response: > The team that made dataroom has stated that they did not use any of papermark’s code and that dataroom was made from scratch with inspiration from existing document sharing softwares, and that this post’s allegations of us stealing code are false. [...] The screenshots clearly show they copied whole pages verbatim, both design and texts. The founder, Nico Laqua, basically responding with "we didn't…

I'm pretty sure that making new software that replicate the _functionality_ of other existing software is perfectly legal.

If not, how do you explain the thousands of Tetris clones? The thousands of Doom clones? The hundreds of Excel clones (forgot which was the first one, it's not Excel but that's besides the point, which is that's perfectly legal). Another commenter already mentioned Android SDK vs Java, which Oracle (fortunately) lost.

Yes, even the "copywriting" is fair game, unless it's pages and pages of text (e.g. don't copy/paste the documentation).

The design mustn't be identical but if it's essentially identical, that's legal - sometimes there aren't 10 ways to do something.

Now if the question is whether it's legal to publish software written by LLMs, given that they've been trained on other people's code - that's an entirely different question.

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Post by alsetmusic »

bilekas wrote: post #127

If we take what they're saying as fact and that they didn't copy and paste the code, but for all intents and purposes the LlM basically did reproduce the same code based on its crawling of the repo and not respecting the license. It would make a great civil case for the courts to decide. Their defence seems to be "well we asked an LLM to reproduce your work, so 'WE' never copied your code". Smells bad to me.

> Their defence seems to be "well we asked an LLM to reproduce your work, so 'WE' never copied your code".

A German court recently ruled that the runners of the agent are responsible for the agent's output. Not in your test environment, of course, but when it reaches the public.

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