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Hey Nico, you didn't vibe code your data room but stole it from Papermark

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Re: Hey Nico, you didn't vibe code your data room but stole it from Papermark

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Post by datsci_est_2015 »

palmotea wrote: post #200
nfw2 wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did an interview a couple years ago when Corgi was first hiring engineers. Nico and I ... did not click and it was probably the least smooth interview I've ever had despite it just being a phone screen. I wouldn't be that surprised if Nico genuinely thinks "we didn't copy the code" is a reasonable defense. It would be a clear cut rule, and extreme "shape rotator" types often have trouble with the fuzziness of thing…

> It would be a clear cut rule, and extreme "shape rotator" types... It had to look that slang up: https://roonscape.ai/p/a-song-of-shapes-and-words . > ...often have trouble with the fuzziness of things like law. In reality, copyright infringement is often more like the porn test, you know it when you see it. I'd say it's more like the fuzziness defeats most of the software-style "exploits" those types gravitate tow…

> For instance: you can crash a machine by DoSing it, but you can't crash a court case the same way: the judge will look at you and your truckload of motions and hold you in contempt.

I mean, not to nitpick, but isn’t endlessly filling motions a often-used method to deny justice and avoid consequences, especially in the US?

Re: Hey Nico, you didn't vibe code your data room but stole it from Papermark

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Post by retornam »

I used to have a lot of respect for YC and the kind of founders it used to attract. However, over the past few years, they have started attracting a certain type of founder that most people wouldn’t associate with.

The decline in the quality of YC's founder pool and founder reputation is tarnishing its brand, but I doubt anyone there realizes it, or is willing to publicly admit it.

It’s egregious that a portfolio company passed off clear AGPL code as its own and doubled down on defending their actions when there was clear evidence showing that they had indeed copied the code. Any well-meaning person should call this out, including anyone who cares deeply about YC and its reputation.

If a founder is willing to lie about something like this, imagine the other things he would lie about?

Re: Hey Nico, you didn't vibe code your data room but stole it from Papermark

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Post by manwithopinions »

kshacker wrote: post #279

There appears to have been a cease and desist issued by Corgi to Papermark: https://x.com/danielmerja/status/2070264877017350492?s=46 They want the tweet alleging copy to be deleted.

Peter is currently threatening me with a defamation suit, he seems to be quite the litigious man. My defamation suit is because I wrote a post summarizing my comments from this thread about Corgi: https://reticulating.substack.com/p/ycombinators-corgi-insur...

I guess when you're working 7 days a week you've gotta find something to fill the time with.

Re: Hey Nico, you didn't vibe code your data room but stole it from Papermark

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Post by gweinberg »

gilleain wrote: post #224
palmotea wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It would be a clear cut rule, and extreme "shape rotator" types... It had to look that slang up: https://roonscape.ai/p/a-song-of-shapes-and-words . > ...often have trouble with the fuzziness of things like law. In reality, copyright infringement is often more like the porn test, you know it when you see it. I'd say it's more like the fuzziness defeats most of the software-style "exploits" those types gravitate tow…

A very clear example of this is the 'Sovereign Citizen', who have bizarre beliefs around how to interact with courts. As far as I understand it, there are some 'cheat codes' people believe (incorrectly) are effective in literally getting you out of jail free. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizen_movement > Another common belief among sovereign citizens is that they can opt out of the purported contract, ma…

They don't. LEOs will routinely conduct searches without any warrant or probable cause and if they find anything and the defense tries to have it thrown out, the LEO will say the search was "voluntary". Similarly, they will say people were "voluntarily detained" if they don;t know to ask "am I free to go?"

Calling yourself a sovereign citizen will get you nowhere. Saying "I don't consent to this search" will not prevent a search. But it will allow you to get anything found suppressed, unless a judge decides there was probably cause or the body cam happens to fail and so there is no record of your refusal.

Re: Hey Nico, you didn't vibe code your data room but stole it from Papermark

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Post by Aurornis »

datsci_est_2015 wrote: post #277
Aurornis wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unreal. I had to go back to the original Tweet to confirm that screenshot wasn’t faked. The comment clearly says “Mirror’s the reference design’s” I don’t know how they could try to spin that as anything other than having an LLM launder someone’s code as a “reference design” Even if they try to argue that the “reference design” was Figma, the identical copy means they had to have copied Papermark into the reference d…

> The fact that they’re refusing to back down and admit they made a mistake is not a good sign for the company. I wish this were true, but the current political and corporate climate is that nearly anything is justifiable as long as you win, where winning is money or power. Fraud, corruption, extortion, etc. > I would not want to be one of their clients when it came to trying to dispute something. I find most b2b tra…

I meant it's not a good sign for anyone considering working with the company.

If they refuse to back down and won't admit errors on something this obvious, I would not want to be dealing with them on an insurance claim.

Re: Hey Nico, you didn't vibe code your data room but stole it from Papermark

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Post by gilleain »

gweinberg wrote: post #284
gilleain wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A very clear example of this is the 'Sovereign Citizen', who have bizarre beliefs around how to interact with courts. As far as I understand it, there are some 'cheat codes' people believe (incorrectly) are effective in literally getting you out of jail free. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizen_movement > Another common belief among sovereign citizens is that they can opt out of the purported contract, ma…

They don't. LEOs will routinely conduct searches without any warrant or probable cause and if they find anything and the defense tries to have it thrown out, the LEO will say the search was "voluntary". Similarly, they will say people were "voluntarily detained" if they don;t know to ask "am I free to go?" Calling yourself a sovereign citizen will get you nowhere. Saying "I don't consent to this search" will not prev…

I see that I was unclear - I did not mean "the law goes along with this, and I don't know why?" I meant "I do not understand why Sov. Cit. would believe that the law would agree to these ideas".

Re: Hey Nico, you didn't vibe code your data room but stole it from Papermark

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Post by simgoh »

fouc wrote: post #223
bushido wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're both boilerplate ShadCN from the looks of it: https://ui.shadcn.com/blocks ShadCN is the most popular design system that AI automatically reaches for 90%+ times on its own. It's also the default most platforms like lovable, etc.

I looked at that link and was unable to find any blocks that matched the 4 images? "Replicate Room Folders" and all

He's talking about the layout & styles, not literally verbatim copy for copy of the 4 images. Shadcn is an open-source collection of reusable UI components for building modern web applications.

Re: Hey Nico, you didn't vibe code your data room but stole it from Papermark

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Post by aleqs »

manwithopinions wrote: post #135
nfw2 wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are worth 3 billion after two years so it seems like they are doing all right with their strategy although I'm old now and don't want to do that

They’re not really, it’s just the YC hype cycle. The business is selling insurance to other YC startups with some AI flair. They’re not even the first YC startup to do this, a previous YC insurance startup was acquired a few years ago for ~$1bn. So, they’re worth 3x the exit of the exact same company… because of what, AI? The fact that they’re cloning other software to release SaaS products is extremely bearish. Why…

A big part of the US VC operating model these days seems to be just rebuilding existing products with slight changes, then pushing all of their other startups to use that version of it. This is only going to accelerate with AI. Why pay some company you don't own to do thing for you, when you can just copy the company (maybe even improve it in some ways), seed it with with your large existing user base, then have it do the thing for you (while also generating profit from other customers and rapidly scaling in users and valuation itself).

The reality is most of what most tech startups are doing is not actually hard and has no moat. The moat is in getting users/customers - connections/marketing/sales - product quality also matters of course, but there are plenty hyperscaler unicorns who's product is dogshit and vice versa.

Re: Hey Nico, you didn't vibe code your data room but stole it from Papermark

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Post by throwyawayyyy »

zaptheimpaler wrote: post #181
lorey wrote: post #91

Their response: > The team that made dataroom has stated that they did not use any of papermark’s code and that dataroom was made from scratch with inspiration from existing document sharing softwares, and that this post’s allegations of us stealing code are false. [...] The screenshots clearly show they copied whole pages verbatim, both design and texts. The founder, Nico Laqua, basically responding with "we didn't…

He was bragging about working on weekends and comparing his shitty little insurance company to the Manhattan Project a while back. Somewhere he claimed this company/industry is the most important application of AI in the world. I have no doubt they ripped it off, this guy is not trustworthy to say the least.. https://x.com/nico_laqua/status/2061130574358773852?s=20

Kind of serious question: in tech circles is the Manhattan project generally seen as a _good_ thing, these days? Why use it as the example and not, say, Apollo? "We're working really hard so we can build things with the power to kill you all" is such weird messaging.

Re: Hey Nico, you didn't vibe code your data room but stole it from Papermark

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Post by handoflixue »

saghm wrote: post #191
handoflixue wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a weird thing to say in response to someone saying "the text was rewritten, so it's not actually a copy"

The law cares about the process you took to get something, not just the final output. Stealing something and then changing some stuff to try to make it not look identical doesn't invalidate the fact that you stole it. I can't download someone's song, strip out the bass line and record my own, and then pass off the new song combining the old music with my bass recording as an original song. I don't know whether that's…

Are you familiar with "Weird Al Yankovic"?
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