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Previewing GPT‑5.6 Sol: a next-generation model

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Re: Previewing GPT‑5.6 Sol: a next-generation model

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Post by jjmarr »

adrianN wrote: post #115
atherton94027 wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For all intents and purposes you'll be able to move an open weight model wherever you want. I really dislike this rhetoric, you sound like the FSF guys who are like "you're not free until you're running coreboot with zero binary blobs". Sure they have a point but also, most people are fine running regular linux.

Most FSF guys actually have very nuanced views on the topic and you’re doing everyone a disservice by reducing it to an extremist sound bite.

That's literally the official FSF position.

https://www.fsf.org/resources/hw

> For example: the Free Software Foundation only purchases desktop machines which support Libreboot, and Thinkpad X200 and X60 laptops with Libreboot. All desktops and servers we buy are KGPE-D16 motherboards, which are supported by Libreboot. As a result, all of the workstations used by the FSF staff have a free BIOS.

https://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html

> Except where noted, all of the distributions listed on this page fail to follow the guidelines in at least two important ways:

> ...The kernel that they distribute (in most cases, Linux) includes “blobs”: pieces of object code distributed without source, usually firmware to run some device.

They are extreme, uncompromising, and live by their principles.

They are also the reason you can buy a computer meeting those requirements instead of being a pipe dream.

Re: Previewing GPT‑5.6 Sol: a next-generation model

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Post by markrages »

rasengan wrote: post #363
abustamam wrote: post #346

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least in my case, much of the code in the codebase I'm working on is AI generated so even if I have an accurate mental model of how everything works, I have no idea where any of it is located or named.

To be fair, whenever I join a pre-existing code-base [1], it's the same. I have no idea and have to map it out ;) [1] Not AI codebases (and of course, AI code bases I guess)

I can't be the only one whose memory is so bad that I am like this in my own code base.

Re: Previewing GPT‑5.6 Sol: a next-generation model

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Post by mikepurvis »

bob1029 wrote: post #350
gandreani wrote: post #177

Easily the most interesting part of this announcement is buried in the second to last paragraph: "We're also launching GPT‑5.6 Sol on Cerebras at up to 750 tokens per second in July, bringing frontier intelligence to customers at unprecedented speed. Access will initially be limited to select customers as we expand capacity." 750 tokens/s on a frontier model is going to be extremely interesting. I doubt this new vers…

At a certain rate we will be able to move towards continuous / real-time inference systems. The discrete, turn based solutions are quite confining with how they must be trained. Continuous and real-time would fundamentally alter the domain. From an information theory perspective we are still in dial-up territory with regard to the actual information rate. 750 tokens per second would be a really bad dialup connection.…

Is there anyone exploring or writing about this in public? I've felt for a while that the turn-based model was not quite right, but also felt too stupid and ill-informed to have much of an opinion about what else it could be.

Re: Previewing GPT‑5.6 Sol: a next-generation model

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Post by NamlchakKhandro »

citadel_melon wrote: post #336
ffsm8 wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thankfully he didn't say that they're all like that. Instead he pointed out the few that are as a well known example of similar behavior. If you reread the comment with a fresh mind you'll notice that you misunderstood what he wrote

When attacking archetypes of people, there is some responsibility to make clear who you’re attacking and why, even to someone who’s not being hyper-open-minded. At least if you want them to learn from you: which may or may not be your goal. When you attack/signal you’re on the offensive, it is foolish to believe that they won’t knee-jerk attack back and become closed minded at least a little. Regardless, the “misinte…

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Re: Previewing GPT‑5.6 Sol: a next-generation model

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Post by Xenoamorphous »

salutis wrote: post #364
applfanboysbgon wrote: post #349

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By definition, 50% of developers are below average, so there are indeed "tons of folks" who are not very good at what they do.

That is not how averages work. By definition of mean, perhaps.

Indeed. Most people have more arms than average, which must be 1.9 something.

Re: Previewing GPT‑5.6 Sol: a next-generation model

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Post by ai_fry_ur_brain »

bob1029 wrote: post #350
gandreani wrote: post #177

Easily the most interesting part of this announcement is buried in the second to last paragraph: "We're also launching GPT‑5.6 Sol on Cerebras at up to 750 tokens per second in July, bringing frontier intelligence to customers at unprecedented speed. Access will initially be limited to select customers as we expand capacity." 750 tokens/s on a frontier model is going to be extremely interesting. I doubt this new vers…

At a certain rate we will be able to move towards continuous / real-time inference systems. The discrete, turn based solutions are quite confining with how they must be trained. Continuous and real-time would fundamentally alter the domain. From an information theory perspective we are still in dial-up territory with regard to the actual information rate. 750 tokens per second would be a really bad dialup connection.…

Ahh yes slop at the speed of light, how useful!

Re: Previewing GPT‑5.6 Sol: a next-generation model

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Post by ai_fry_ur_brain »

gandreani wrote: post #177

Easily the most interesting part of this announcement is buried in the second to last paragraph: "We're also launching GPT‑5.6 Sol on Cerebras at up to 750 tokens per second in July, bringing frontier intelligence to customers at unprecedented speed. Access will initially be limited to select customers as we expand capacity." 750 tokens/s on a frontier model is going to be extremely interesting. I doubt this new vers…

From what I know about batch processing/ concurrency in inference this is a pipe dream... Or its going to cost an arm and a leg. I think they're lying or its going to be a much smaller model and not "frontier"

Re: Previewing GPT‑5.6 Sol: a next-generation model

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Post by typpo »

ComputerGuru wrote: post #319

“ Terra has competitive performance to GPT‑5.5 [while being 2x cheaper]…” To me that means “it’s an inferior product but marketing dictates we try and hide that.” And “our most robust safety stack to date. We strengthened protections for higher-risk activity, sensitive cyber requests, and repeated misuse, and spent multiple weeks finding weaknesses, pressure-testing our system, and hardening it against real-world att…

>> Terra has competitive performance to GPT‑5.5 [while being 2x cheaper]…

> To me that means “it’s an inferior product but marketing dictates we try and hide that.”

I interpret this to mean you're about to get today's mainline performance at a fraction of the price.

Re: Previewing GPT‑5.6 Sol: a next-generation model

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Post by ddp26 »

hmate9 wrote: post #10
ddp26 wrote: post #8

I'm going to pre-register my prediction that GPT-5.6 Sol is significantly behind Claude Fable 5, as evaluated by general consensus once time has passed for people to get familiar with both.

What is this prediction based on?

Based on my conjecture that Anthropic is ahead on AI research, and that OpenAI doesn't know how to make Fable-class models.
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