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Previewing GPT‑5.6 Sol: a next-generation model

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Re: Previewing GPT‑5.6 Sol: a next-generation model

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Post by HarHarVeryFunny »

loufe wrote: post #4

"Next generation model" If it was the next generation, why isn't it a major version change..?

AFAIK there is no difference between "generation" and "version". Version naming/numbering depends on how good it turns out to be, and competition. If the competition releases something then you need to push something out too.

Calling it 5.6 creates the least possible expectations, and therefore more potential for positive feedback.

The Sol/Terra/Luna naming is interesting. I wonder what Anthropic are considering for their next models? "Terminator", "Armageddon"?

Re: Previewing GPT‑5.6 Sol: a next-generation model

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Post by enraged_camel »

seviu wrote: post #77
jdw64 wrote: post #44

I think GPT writes code the best. How well will it write in version 5.6? It gives me chills. Recently, I went head-to-head with GPT on nearly 2,000 lines of code, and GPT's solution was superior and faster. I even referenced multiple codebases on GitHub while trying, but they were incomparable to GPT. So using GPT brings both fear and excitement. The fear comes from realizing that this level of code is now the averag…

I am on the opposite camp. Open models are starting to perform better. GPT 5.5 keeps on messing things up. On the contrary, pi + glm + DeepSeek… bliss. Fable was a different kind of beast though. Rip.

>> I am on the opposite camp. Open models are starting to perform better. GPT 5.5 keeps on messing things up.

I'm working in a 600k+ LoC codebase that has complex domain-specific logic and lots of moving parts. I find that Codex 5.5 is pretty good at surgical fixes, but does not go out of its way to explore and figure out what those surgical fixes might break. So I only use it to work on parts of the system that are pretty isolated from everything else so that risk of regression is small.

Re: Previewing GPT‑5.6 Sol: a next-generation model

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Post by vanuatu »

HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #149
jdw64 wrote: post #44

I think GPT writes code the best. How well will it write in version 5.6? It gives me chills. Recently, I went head-to-head with GPT on nearly 2,000 lines of code, and GPT's solution was superior and faster. I even referenced multiple codebases on GitHub while trying, but they were incomparable to GPT. So using GPT brings both fear and excitement. The fear comes from realizing that this level of code is now the averag…

I'm suspect on how much of a coding advance it will be. Seems odd that their announcement has zero coding benchmarks, with the closest related thing being terminal bench.

sadly with all the labs benchmaxxing I feel like you just have to try the model for a while to really evaluate how good it is, especially for each individual use case

Re: Previewing GPT‑5.6 Sol: a next-generation model

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Post by jamilton »

mohsen1 wrote: post #67

> Additionally, we’re introducing a new `ultra` mode that goes beyond the capabilities of a single agent by leveraging subagents to accelerate complex work. I'm curious about how does this work? Do the subagents also get to use the same tools? Will the client be flooded with tool calls? Why extra pricing for a new "model" when the same thing can happen in the client with more controls? And if it's an army of subagent…

Yeah, I'm interested too. My guess for the reason, if not purely to eke out more performance, is so they can cleanly gather real-world data on this kind of usage.

Re: Previewing GPT‑5.6 Sol: a next-generation model

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Post by gck1 »

mohsen1 wrote: post #166
gck1 wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it's anything like ClaudeCode's ultracode, it's nothing new or revolutionary. It's essentially a bunch of subagents being called by a deterministic script written by the main model thread, each eating tokens for lunch and output of which is synthesized by an orchestrator agent.

Confusion is: ultracode is not a different model with its own benchmarks

Neither is OpenaAI's ultra. Article specifically calls it 'mode' and it's not even mentioned in the model card.

It's for sure a codex harness feature.

EDIT: yeah, it's the same thing. https://github.com/openai/codex/blob/main/codex-rs/core/test...

Re: Previewing GPT‑5.6 Sol: a next-generation model

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Post by gandreani »

Easily the most interesting part of this announcement is buried in the second to last paragraph:

"We're also launching GPT‑5.6 Sol on Cerebras at up to 750 tokens per second in July, bringing frontier intelligence to customers at unprecedented speed. Access will initially be limited to select customers as we expand capacity."

750 tokens/s on a frontier model is going to be extremely interesting. I doubt this new version is anything but a version bump in terms of capabilities but if we can start getting these answers back faster, they end up being more useful.

Just off the top of my head, I can think of the tedious task of finding certain functionality within a codebase. I usually can't beat an AI agent harness at this task today. If the AI model is 3x faster I have less of chance.

Re: Previewing GPT‑5.6 Sol: a next-generation model

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Post by sigmoid10 »

OsrsNeedsf2P wrote: post #158

Like Mythos before it, I'm simply not excited about a model I can't use

At least they plan to give the public all versions. Feels infinitely better than whatever the hell is happening at Anthropic.

> "Yeah, we've got the absolute best model out there. Trust us. Truly scary."

> "O-ok? May I see it?"

> "Gtfo. Here's a worse version of it for you plebs."

> "Um, thanks?"

> "Lmao, actually no. The current admin fell for our scare marketing. Here, have this even worse crazy expensive token burner that gets more hardware limited every week."

You can say what you want about OpenAI, but their corporate strategy feels so much more solid.

Re: Previewing GPT‑5.6 Sol: a next-generation model

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Post by sauwan »

atherton94027 wrote: post #99
paxys wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless you are hosting it yourself on your own infrastructure it absolutely can be taken away.

For all intents and purposes you'll be able to move an open weight model wherever you want. I really dislike this rhetoric, you sound like the FSF guys who are like "you're not free until you're running coreboot with zero binary blobs". Sure they have a point but also, most people are fine running regular linux.

Unless the US Gov bans inference companies from serving Chinese models to US customers...
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