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Re: Previewing GPT‑5.6 Sol: a next-generation model

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post #78

Are GPT 5.5 and Opus 4.8 the last models we're going te be allowed to use in Europe? Is there going to be a cut, and we're only be allowed to use less capabale models outside of the US? I mean, if they deem Fable 5 to powerful to share with the rest of the world, what's left for us?

We have le chaton fat, worry not

Re: Previewing GPT‑5.6 Sol: a next-generation model

#162
post #67

> Additionally, we’re introducing a new `ultra` mode that goes beyond the capabilities of a single agent by leveraging subagents to accelerate complex work. I'm curious about how does this work? Do the subagents also get to use the same tools? Will the client be flooded with tool calls? Why extra pricing for a new "model" when the same thing can happen in the client with more controls? And if it's an army of subagent…

If it's anything like ClaudeCode's ultracode, it's nothing new or revolutionary.

It's essentially a bunch of subagents being called by a deterministic script written by the main model thread, each eating tokens for lunch and output of which is synthesized by an orchestrator agent.

Re: Previewing GPT‑5.6 Sol: a next-generation model

#163
post #44

I think GPT writes code the best. How well will it write in version 5.6? It gives me chills. Recently, I went head-to-head with GPT on nearly 2,000 lines of code, and GPT's solution was superior and faster. I even referenced multiple codebases on GitHub while trying, but they were incomparable to GPT. So using GPT brings both fear and excitement. The fear comes from realizing that this level of code is now the averag…

I'm suspect on how much of a coding advance it will be. Seems odd that their announcement has zero coding benchmarks, with the closest related thing being terminal bench.

They claim extreme performance on ExploitBench, which Mythos was touted as being incredible at. https://x.com/OpenAI/status/2070555278576439306

Re: Previewing GPT‑5.6 Sol: a next-generation model

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If GPT-5.6 preview is not available outside US government approved "trusted partners", I don't see how the General Available can be trusted later.

Who knows what they will fix, block or change in the model between the preview and GA time. Open models can't arrive soon enough.

Re: Previewing GPT‑5.6 Sol: a next-generation model

#166
post #162
post #67

> Additionally, we’re introducing a new `ultra` mode that goes beyond the capabilities of a single agent by leveraging subagents to accelerate complex work. I'm curious about how does this work? Do the subagents also get to use the same tools? Will the client be flooded with tool calls? Why extra pricing for a new "model" when the same thing can happen in the client with more controls? And if it's an army of subagent…

If it's anything like ClaudeCode's ultracode, it's nothing new or revolutionary. It's essentially a bunch of subagents being called by a deterministic script written by the main model thread, each eating tokens for lunch and output of which is synthesized by an orchestrator agent.

Confusion is: ultracode is not a different model with its own benchmarks

Re: Previewing GPT‑5.6 Sol: a next-generation model

#167
> We're also launching GPT‑5.6 Sol on Cerebras at up to 750 tokens per second in July, bringing frontier intelligence to customers at unprecedented speed.

This is really exciting. I work on voice AI, and we're still using 4.1/4.1 mini since none of the frontier models come close on latency. I'm excited to be able to have more interactive experiences, I think it'll unlock new ways of working with these models.

Re: Previewing GPT‑5.6 Sol: a next-generation model

#168
post #44

I think GPT writes code the best. How well will it write in version 5.6? It gives me chills. Recently, I went head-to-head with GPT on nearly 2,000 lines of code, and GPT's solution was superior and faster. I even referenced multiple codebases on GitHub while trying, but they were incomparable to GPT. So using GPT brings both fear and excitement. The fear comes from realizing that this level of code is now the averag…

I'm suspect on how much of a coding advance it will be. Seems odd that their announcement has zero coding benchmarks, with the closest related thing being terminal bench.

Maybe I'll know once I try it? Honestly, for small functions or methods, I don't think there's a huge difference between models. But the larger the code gets, the more noticeable the difference seems to be.

Personally, I think this kind of coding experience varies from person to person

Re: Previewing GPT‑5.6 Sol: a next-generation model

#169
post #165

If GPT-5.6 preview is not available outside US government approved "trusted partners", I don't see how the General Available can be trusted later. Who knows what they will fix, block or change in the model between the preview and GA time. Open models can't arrive soon enough.

Open models arrived. They are not even that far behind anymore. But the hardware costs are a bit too high for now.

Re: Previewing GPT‑5.6 Sol: a next-generation model

#170
post #44

I think GPT writes code the best. How well will it write in version 5.6? It gives me chills. Recently, I went head-to-head with GPT on nearly 2,000 lines of code, and GPT's solution was superior and faster. I even referenced multiple codebases on GitHub while trying, but they were incomparable to GPT. So using GPT brings both fear and excitement. The fear comes from realizing that this level of code is now the averag…

> I even referenced multiple code bases on GitHub

Well, GPT referenced every GitHub code base, no wonder it won! :)

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