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Re: The 'papers, please' era of the internet will decimate your privacy

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Post by b40d-48b2-979e »

zuzululu wrote: post #507
HoldOnAMinute wrote: post #42

Assuming no revolutionary changes are coming to the USA, I am planning to opt out of the digital world when I retire. Physical media only. No subscriptions. Spend lots of time in the library. Find like-minded people and meet in person. Will only keep the bare minimum for survival, like banking.

agree with most of what you wrote but "Find like-minded people and meet in person." this is where things can escalate

This reminds me of a recent story I heard where a FEMA administrator had a militia organizer infiltrate his home as a "handyman" and the administrator was contacted by the FBI about who the handyman really was spying on his home and family in person.

Re: The 'papers, please' era of the internet will decimate your privacy

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Post by izacus »

JoshTriplett wrote: post #421
madrox wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the lie is to look at the problems we have that the internet has enabled and say "things are ok as they are don't try to do anything to solve it."

Things are, in fact, okay as they are, attempts to impose identity requirements would make things less okay, and people trying to claim they aren't okay need to be defeated.

Putting your head in the sand from position of wealthy privilege doesn't change the reality.

Re: The 'papers, please' era of the internet will decimate your privacy

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Post by izacus »

wolvoleo wrote: post #222
johnc1 wrote: post #106

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There is a much easier solution that already exists - parental controls on children's devices. I honestly don't understand why is it not solving the problem? Yes, parents are responsible to set this up. But parents are also responsible to lock their alcohol, drugs or guns, condoms, etc., and many other things. Perhaps parental controls are not good enough? That's where the regulation could genuinely help - require ch…

Yeah. Didn't you find your dad's dirty VHS tapes when you were young? I'm sure most of us did. And we turned out fine. And no, porn isn't more extreme these days either. I remember seeing bukkake, golden showers etc on borrowed tapes and hacked pay TV. BDSM existed back then too. And I had some pics of a girls face surrounded by male members and their output. Never once did I think this would be a normal thing to do…

> Yeah. Didn't you find your dad's dirty VHS tapes when you were young? I'm sure most of us did. And we turned out fine.

Were they delivered to you in truckload volumes every day, including tapes recording executions, child molestation, foreign political propaganda, domestic political propaganda and misleading advertisements?

Every day, any day, unlimited quantities? Including giving your phone number to any strangers anywhere in the world so they can talk to you without limits, supervision or even parental knowledge?

No?

Then let's perhaps stop pretending that millenial internet free childhood is a thing that exists and let's talk about actual modern issues.

Re: The 'papers, please' era of the internet will decimate your privacy

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Post by b40d-48b2-979e »

biophysboy wrote: post #477
xandrius wrote: post #473

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What internet loop does a kid to be in before the age of 14?

In my opinion, none, but many parents disagree. Also, its more about the secondary effects, where all of their friends at school are talking about internet things they are unfamiliar with.

Where are these "many parents"? You're arguing something without any experience.

Re: The 'papers, please' era of the internet will decimate your privacy

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Post by izacus »

hdgvhicv wrote: post #305
prmoustache wrote: post #303

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I think their point is to protect kids who have parents so tech illiterate they do not know how to manage parental controls. Having seen some parents I kind of believe it but not to the point of wanting to implement ID tracking on everything.

Have decent defaults. “Is this phone for a child” and “scan this wr from parents phone”. 90% of problems solved. That said while Apple does a good job at parental controls, Microsoft is altered. Trying to have controls on Minecraft across a windows laptop and a switch involved a multi hour odyssey, creating tons of accounts for parent and child.

People aggressively attacked the proposal of California to add parental controls into OSes, so I'm not sure if that would fly.

Re: The 'papers, please' era of the internet will decimate your privacy

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Post by w4der »

Aurornis wrote: post #131
andrewla wrote: post #68

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The article talks about the possibilities of malicious cloning of these tokens by third parties, but fails to identify the much more common use case, and one that makes this scheme useless for age verification. It's one thing to be concerned about someone stealing my credential, but another to prevent the transfer of these credentials, especially if they are limited use credentials. The entire point of age verificati…

Yes, this is the part of the issue that is so frequently ignored: Anonymous age verification schemes are easily defeated through proxying because there wouldn't be any consequences for selling your tokens. "Install this app on your phone and we'll pay you $1 per day" and it will mint your anonymous identity tokens and send them off to kids who want to buy them. If there's no way to track the tokens, there is no possi…

But could you not set up a system where you need to go get (for free) a limited use token at a physical location, or have them mailed to your home, and they have a rough geographical lock? If a bunch of those tokens start appearing in random locations, it is a good indication that someone is reselling them to minors? I'm not saying this is idiot proof, but what could go wrong?

Re: The 'papers, please' era of the internet will decimate your privacy

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Post by splitstud »

izacus wrote: post #533
wolvoleo wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah. Didn't you find your dad's dirty VHS tapes when you were young? I'm sure most of us did. And we turned out fine. And no, porn isn't more extreme these days either. I remember seeing bukkake, golden showers etc on borrowed tapes and hacked pay TV. BDSM existed back then too. And I had some pics of a girls face surrounded by male members and their output. Never once did I think this would be a normal thing to do…

> Yeah. Didn't you find your dad's dirty VHS tapes when you were young? I'm sure most of us did. And we turned out fine. Were they delivered to you in truckload volumes every day, including tapes recording executions, child molestation, foreign political propaganda, domestic political propaganda and misleading advertisements? Every day, any day, unlimited quantities? Including giving your phone number to any stranger…

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Re: The 'papers, please' era of the internet will decimate your privacy

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Post by Barrin92 »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #204
andrewla wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article talks about the possibilities of malicious cloning of these tokens by third parties, but fails to identify the much more common use case, and one that makes this scheme useless for age verification. It's one thing to be concerned about someone stealing my credential, but another to prevent the transfer of these credentials, especially if they are limited use credentials. The entire point of age verificati…

> but if a minor is caught using someone's credential, then the person whose credential they are using can be investigated, and, if necessary, charged with a crime roughly equivalent to providing alcohol to a minor. Without the possibility of real world enforcement, none of these identity solutions can possibly work. They don't work even then. Suppose you completely eliminate privacy on the internet and require every…

> Is the child going to inform on themselves? No. Is the adult, when they don't even know about it?

In the context of social media, if they want to actively participate they have to given that it's the entire point. It's true that even with a government ID scheme people could borrow someone's ID to get passive access with their consent. But a kid couldn't share an account with a parent without that parent knowing because you see their activity, and they also couldn't post.

Re: The 'papers, please' era of the internet will decimate your privacy

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Post by throwawayffffas »

I love the complete lack of reflection of the top comment in the website.

> All those policies are created with one single goal in mind - to catalogue and enumerate ALL human beings on the planet, not just kids.

1. Your government already has you catalogued, you have a birth certificate, you pay taxes don't you?

2. All these platforms are doing exactly that, do you think you are fooling anyone with that nickname? (come on lets face it you have at least one account with your real name).

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