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Jolla Phone (October 2026)

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Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)

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Post by lern_too_spel »

dadoum wrote: post #50
bri3d wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's still more open than AOSP I don't think this is true at all? AOSP is completely open source modulo driver blobs (which Sailfish has too) and Google services. One can make a fully functional system, modulo drivers, out of only open-source components using AOSP. It's not possible to do this using Sailfish; the compositor, UI libraries (Silica), and most of the "core" apps are still closed source.

If I remember correctly a lot of AOSP core apps have been discontinued though.

The Email app had been forked into K-9 Mail, which later became Thunderbird for Android. AOSP Browser no longer made sense to develop after Chromium was ported to Android. And so on. The barebones applications in AOSP have been succeeded by better open source apps outside the AOSP repos. It doesn't make sense to maintain them when nobody putting together an Android distribution would choose to use them over those alternatives.

Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)

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Post by badgersnake »

zuzululu wrote: post #97
badgersnake wrote: post #82

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European or American. Currently Russia is sanctioned so it’s illegal to do business there. If it were legal they would be straight back.

Ah I forgot about that. I don't think Russians will allow those companies to return for a very long time. When all the Western companies left the huge markets across verticals were handed out to local and east asian companies. Russians hate the West and the incumbents know it. If Western companies started to muscle in again they would drop the price to protect their market shares. Kind of silly to give up your entire…

Don’t completely rewrite your comments after somebody replied.

Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)

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Post by aivisol »

CiTyBear wrote: post #36

Personal experience with Jolla: I bought their first mobile (still have it somewhere) that would be a "Linux Phone that run android app". Wanted to support it and was ready to expect some bugs but it did not work all. No support at all, most of android app did not work. The OS was not finished that it was already obsolete. And now there are doing it again like the first one never existed. I have zero trust in this co…

I was about to write the same. I even had a chance to meet their then CTO at their booth in WMC in Barcelona and complain in person but well …

Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)

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Post by VortexLain »

seba_dos1 wrote: post #79
drnick1 wrote: post #55

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> /etc configuration instead of the insanely bad system properties crap, glibc instead of bionic [...] The practical downside, however, is that this phone does not natively run Android apps, while GrapheneOS runs all Android apps bar those that require Play Integrity. Desktop GNU/Linux programs are either unusable or a terrible experience on a mobile device with a small screen and no mouse.

> Desktop GNU/Linux programs are either unusable or a terrible experience on a mobile device with a small screen and no mouse. Is this an assumption or coming from your experience? Because I'm typing this on a GNU/Linux phone in a desktop browser and use a bunch of desktop applications daily and haven't noticed. Of course if you run GIMP or something like that it won't fit unless you plug an external screen and a mou…

Could you please elaborate, which software is usable on mobile Linux except for Firefox? I've seen multiple people using mobile Linux, and they were using Firefox and webapps for everything, no exceptions.

Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)

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Post by bigyabai »

woah wrote: post #84
mihular wrote: post #73

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Wait, what? What is wrong with European companies by default?

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To be fair to Jolla, their brand predates the concept of "digital sovereignty" as we know it today. They were making Android alternatives even before China or Apple did.

Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)

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Post by TiredOfLife »

dijit wrote: post #31
dengolius wrote: post #27

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I read somewhere that the owners have ties to russia, but the most important thing is that they’re marketing very aggressively through posts that slander GraphenOS.

Jesus christ, what is this FUD? I know the people behind SailfishOS, they’re not like, friends or anything: just ex-Nokia developers who got fucked by Microsoft (like I did, btw, which is how I know of them). I feel like the big tech smartphone duopoly would have a reason to spread such rubbish, but its so patently obvious that I doubt they are so stupid.

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jolla

"It acquired new investors in 2016, among them the Russian company Votron. In March 2018 they were joined by Rostelecom (which is state owned) as investor, which took over Votron and OMP."

Note that was after 2014 russian invasion into Ukraine.

Re: Jolla Phone (October 2026)

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Post by xigoi »

drnick1 wrote: post #65
sourcegrift wrote: post #37

Google is so anti open it's the new Microsoft. I hope for a day when my phone runs nixos with Qt apps. Qt is so much better than java that I'm sure I'll be able to make do in 4gb what android takes 16gb for. In the era of hallucinated apps, this doesn't even seen like an imaginary wishful scenario.

> Google is so anti open it's the new Microsoft. You can unlock a Pixel's bootloader and install GrapheneOS. It would be highly ironic if the Jolla's was locked.

GrapheneOS seems to focus on privacy and security, not freedom.
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