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The 'papers, please' era of the internet will decimate your privacy

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Re: The 'papers, please' era of the internet will decimate your privacy

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Post by monssooon »

vlian2088 wrote: post #332
monssooon wrote: post #277

Do you think that this will lead to a new version of a alternative "internet" where people try to avoid the government control? And is that even possible? Or will we all just comply?

only for a short while longer. US, EU, China, and Russia are all on the same page about you-vill-ovn-nothing-und-you-vill-be-happy kind of future, and they will bully the rest of the world into compliance.

It is such a sick idea. But i cant really figurer out if they want to force this on us or they just anticipate that type of poverty will become normal for the new "middle class" and they want to make everyone accept it with some "crisis argumentation".

Re: The 'papers, please' era of the internet will decimate your privacy

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Post by biophysboy »

jjulius wrote: post #393
biophysboy wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its a tragedy of the commons situation. The benefits of being offline are dampened by the kid being out of the loop

This whole FOMO thing isn't as real, nor as detrimental, for kids as people try and paint it. That's not to say there's not an impact, but kids survive just fine - everyone misses out on this and that, even adults who opt out. Nobody ever keeps up or is involved with everything everyone's doing. Learning that that's okay, and how to handle that, at a younger age pays dividends as an adult. Besides, there are many way…

I agree with this (I want to be a parent very soon). I think I'm trying to articulate that while its possible to make a quiet place for your kid at home, they still live in a very internet-driven world.

I actually am curious about your experience on this. Basically, I'm worried that I'll try to make restrictions in the future, and it'll just be a war of attrition that I lose, since internet platforms touch so many parts of social life, especially for the young. Maybe things will be different in a decade.

Re: The 'papers, please' era of the internet will decimate your privacy

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Post by monssooon »

Tangurena2 wrote: post #425
monssooon wrote: post #277

Do you think that this will lead to a new version of a alternative "internet" where people try to avoid the government control? And is that even possible? Or will we all just comply?

No. Tor does most of this and the number of users is trivial.

Could tor become forbidden?

Re: The 'papers, please' era of the internet will decimate your privacy

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

Tangurena2 wrote: post #395
confidantlake wrote: post #313

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would you want to lock condoms?

Have you missed the recent moral panic about the declining birth rates of white children? Brought to you by the same people who hate pronouns [0], trans people, and/or covid vaccines. In such a world, condoms will be required for non-whites (or race mixing relationships) and forbidden to aryan/white couples. Notes: 0 - For an example of using 2 pronouns in one sentence: "I am he" . https://www.biblegateway.com/passag…

I am he

As you are he

As you are me

And we are all together

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Post by randusername »

intended wrote: post #287
chr15m wrote: post #257

> you’re criticizing a powerful politician, or talking about your experiences with abuse or addiction, or discussing embarrassing medical issues you’re facing This is not the problem. Even if, like millions, you are not talking about these things online, these systems still place you in danger. Even if you are a perfect, clean, compliant citizen these privacy-destroying systems place you in danger. Fundamentally thes…

Sadly your take doesn’t matter since the other voting bloc is parents and people concerned about their kids. I wish this resulted in techies spending more time to look at the substance of the harms playing out, however I see denial of the situation altogether more than anything else.

> Sadly your take doesn’t matter since the other voting bloc is parents and people concerned about their kids.

I used to think the "think of the children" voting bloc was cowardly for hoping the government will do their job for them in setting strict ground rules so they don't have to be the uncool parent.

The closer I get to having children of my own, the more I understand why it seems like the only option. Fundamentally this is delaying indoctrination in digital consumerism, which is not parents versus themselves anymore. More like parents versus the entire economy.

Government might be the only champion for that kind of fight, but what a mess it will make of everything for them to get involved.

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Post by monssooon »

Funes- wrote: post #475

We'll move permanently to the dark web, then. Ideally, we should maintain resilient wireless community networks that can withstand government abuse, as well.

Do you think there could be legislation that prohibits use of tor and mesh?

Re: The 'papers, please' era of the internet will decimate your privacy

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Post by monssooon »

chr15m wrote: post #257

> you’re criticizing a powerful politician, or talking about your experiences with abuse or addiction, or discussing embarrassing medical issues you’re facing This is not the problem. Even if, like millions, you are not talking about these things online, these systems still place you in danger. Even if you are a perfect, clean, compliant citizen these privacy-destroying systems place you in danger. Fundamentally thes…

I think it is going to be the time to get off the internet in general, as much as possible

Re: The 'papers, please' era of the internet will decimate your privacy

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Post by monssooon »

HoldOnAMinute wrote: post #42

Assuming no revolutionary changes are coming to the USA, I am planning to opt out of the digital world when I retire. Physical media only. No subscriptions. Spend lots of time in the library. Find like-minded people and meet in person. Will only keep the bare minimum for survival, like banking.

I second this. Get off the net and away from the established society and into the parallel ones

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

ajb wrote: post #479
ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #451

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I'm not a big fan of the "my way is the right way to oppose things, your way of opposing it is wrong" routine. You can each make a difference in your own way and report back in a year who changed the world more. No need to alienate allies.

I think we can already conclude that the current approach is failing. I'm suggesting reasons why I think that is the case. Of course, my diagnosis may be wrong. But it's implausible that doing what we've done during 20 years of erosion of privacy is going to suddenly turn things around. As for not alienating allies: if it's this easy to piss off people to agree with you, maybe it's also worth thinking about how to ta…

The current approach includes people doing it your way, and people doing it GP's way, and people doing it many other ways. There's not a great way to draw conclusions from that, absent more data.

And if you're so eager to shake off allies who don't agree with all your ideas, maybe it's worth everyone thinking about how to talk to those we want to win over.

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