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The 'papers, please' era of the internet will decimate your privacy

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Re: The 'papers, please' era of the internet will decimate your privacy

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It's been decades since the very phrase "conspiracy theory" was introduced as a means to convert looking closer into something cringe. The normie position on most things is to accept something as no problem unless the mainstream designates it as such aliens), or it blows up enough that even unmotivated normies can't help but take notice (rich new york caribbean islanders). Privacy got close to that with Snowden, but…

To me the connotation is that it's always an unreasonable theory, such as one that requires thousands of people to maintain nearly perfect secrecy for an indefinite period, with no mistakes and dedication even when they'd benefit from blabbing. In contrast, imagine a 2-person conspiracy where both have lifelong reasons to keep it secret. Yeah, I could have a theory about that conspiracy existing, but it wouldn't be,…

> even when they'd benefit from blabbing.

Ok but what conspiracy theories are even filtered out by this? Whistleblowers almost always do it at great personal cost.

Re: The 'papers, please' era of the internet will decimate your privacy

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What you conveniently forgot to mention is this means the death of open general purpose computing. No more rooted devices, no more self built PCs. You go buy a government approved device and run the government approved OS preinstalled and the moment you deviate from the government approved happy path you are booted off the internet.

I'm a fan of separating the trusted compute levels for commercial and non-commercial uses/sides of the internet. I think we have to move in this direction. As it stands today, doing business on ebay/craigslist/etc isn't that much different than doing it in a back alley in the bad part of town. Generally a bad idea but YMMV if you keep your wits about you. Of course it's your right to do business that way, but no one…

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Re: The 'papers, please' era of the internet will decimate your privacy

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That's not the problem governments are solving. They're solving the problem of convincing the public it's a good idea to end the anonymity of internet use.

> That's not the problem governments are solving. They're solving the problem of convincing the public it's a good idea to end the anonymity of internet use. I'm really sorry, but that's giving politicians far to much credit for being able to plan ahead. Look at both the UK and the USA. The UK's just yeeted its PM because he had the personality of a block of cheese. The USA is currently inches away from shooting peop…

> its about who can track you and why. I'd much rather a list of times I access a site that required age verification being stored by the government, than every single fucking page I looked at tracked by google/meta.

It is about what abuses can happen from that info. Google could sell your data. The government can imprison you. You don't think Trump wouldn't try to collect info on his opponents and weaponize the DOJ against them?

Re: The 'papers, please' era of the internet will decimate your privacy

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This is a very libertarian and ultimately low-trust forum where most people seem to think the government is out to get you, but I have to say: what's so great about having complete online anonymity anyway? I mean, seriously. Real life is not anonymous and consequence free either, why should online life be? It's not as if there are no downsides. There are, and some of them are so severe that they are impacting the who…

Just off the top of my head, what if I want to use reddit mostly to talk about mundane things like local events in my city or technology and don't really care if that ties back to me, but I also want to ask about embarrassing health problems or just weird shit and I would rather not have that tied back to me? I should have no options without everyone in the world being able to easily find out about it? If some sites…

Which alternative measures do you propose to counter the society destabilising effects I've described in the original comment?

Because I believe there are none.

Re: The 'papers, please' era of the internet will decimate your privacy

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How so?

Presumably, if you have a trusted application on a trusted device, the identifier was installed in a trusted way, the device is in trusted possession and the device won't be given to anyone else, trusted computing may be able, in certain cases, to make it more difficult for a remote minor to use the identifier.

> in certain cases, to make it more difficult for a remote minor to use the identifier

Just offer the user some money if he installs some "trusted" app for age verification token sharing.

Re: The 'papers, please' era of the internet will decimate your privacy

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I am always surprised that people get shocked when online privacy is put at risk, as if it was a fundamental human right.

REMOTE PRIVACY NEVER EXISTED BEFORE A FEW DECADES AGO!

And what happened in these decades are enough for the societies to wonder whether this new possibility in human connections (i.e. remote privacy) is globally a good thing. Just stomping your feet because the new toy may be declared illegal is not helping anyone. Governments are expressing serious doubts: this discussion needs serious interventions, not temper tantrums.

Re: The 'papers, please' era of the internet will decimate your privacy

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I am always surprised that people get shocked when online privacy is put at risk, as if it was a fundamental human right. REMOTE PRIVACY NEVER EXISTED BEFORE A FEW DECADES AGO! And what happened in these decades are enough for the societies to wonder whether this new possibility in human connections (i.e. remote privacy) is globally a good thing. Just stomping your feet because the new toy may be declared illegal is…

How do you define remote privacy? Beyond a few decades ago I could use a phone booth and pay in coins.

Re: The 'papers, please' era of the internet will decimate your privacy

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I am always surprised that people get shocked when online privacy is put at risk, as if it was a fundamental human right. REMOTE PRIVACY NEVER EXISTED BEFORE A FEW DECADES AGO! And what happened in these decades are enough for the societies to wonder whether this new possibility in human connections (i.e. remote privacy) is globally a good thing. Just stomping your feet because the new toy may be declared illegal is…

Yup, demoractic governments existed before the internet and repressive dictators have risen with it.

The idea that being anonymous online will save a society from a dictator/repression is wishful thinking.

Only good faith engagement with an existing democractic system will ensure the success of democracy, but that is too hard for most poeple.

99.9% on anonymous engagement online is bad faith.

Re: The 'papers, please' era of the internet will decimate your privacy

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post #386

I am always surprised that people get shocked when online privacy is put at risk, as if it was a fundamental human right. REMOTE PRIVACY NEVER EXISTED BEFORE A FEW DECADES AGO! And what happened in these decades are enough for the societies to wonder whether this new possibility in human connections (i.e. remote privacy) is globally a good thing. Just stomping your feet because the new toy may be declared illegal is…

How do you define remote privacy? Beyond a few decades ago I could use a phone booth and pay in coins.

And any phone could be tapped with a signature by a judge.
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