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The 'papers, please' era of the internet will decimate your privacy

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Re: The 'papers, please' era of the internet will decimate your privacy

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Post by nephihaha »

krapp wrote: post #92
jazz9k wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Punk rock has always been right wing. Libraries are about as far from this as they can get.

The anti-authoritarian, anti-government, anti-fascist, anti-capitalist music genre punk rock? Always right wing? I mean, Nazis have always been attracted to punk because they like the loud noise but are too stupid to understand lyrics, but they tend to get their shit kicked in by punks more often than not. I don't think that's the same thing.

There is a myth that punk has always been left wing. Most of it has been, but right wing punk has been there from the beginning and still is around.

Re: The 'papers, please' era of the internet will decimate your privacy

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Post by sdfsdfsd3443f »

bigbuppo wrote: post #166
madrox wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the lie is to look at the problems we have that the internet has enabled and say "things are ok as they are don't try to do anything to solve it."

If the problem is "social media bad for kids" then any parent that allows their children to access social media is as guilty of abuse or neglect as a parent that lets them play in traffic. Throw the parents in prison and put the kids in foster care. Problem solved.

People make problems where there are none. Parents all around me are giving smartphones to their eight year olds without supervision.

I have kids and no amount of bullshit is going to convince me this is necessary for social interaction of any kind. If anything the "phone kids" are the weird ones.

People are creating this problem. You can easily, very easily, say "no" to a kid. I pay to keep you bloody alive and I will defend your sanity with everything I got because these kids are our future. Being disliked or "hated" by them is the least of my worries. Are we adults or what?

Sometimes I think there is a severe lack of "adulting" lately. No amount of legislation will fix that.

Re: The 'papers, please' era of the internet will decimate your privacy

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Post by nephihaha »

jplusequalt wrote: post #191
krapp wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The anti-authoritarian, anti-government, anti-fascist, anti-capitalist music genre punk rock? Always right wing? I mean, Nazis have always been attracted to punk because they like the loud noise but are too stupid to understand lyrics, but they tend to get their shit kicked in by punks more often than not. I don't think that's the same thing.

I've seen a lot of confidently incorrect takes on this site, but "punk rock is right wing" may be the worst.

Some punk rock is. The idea that it is always on the left was not true, even in the early days.

Re: The 'papers, please' era of the internet will decimate your privacy

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Post by d--b »

Online privacy is already an illusion.

I mean, your ISP knows your IP, the government can know your IP, Google knows your IP, Meta knows your IP, all the websites you log on know who you are and what you're IP is, and forward your data to 3rd parties, many of these connect the dots between the various websites you visit.

If there is one benefit to true ID verification on the internet, is that people won't feel as if they're browsing things anonymously while they're not.

Re: The 'papers, please' era of the internet will decimate your privacy

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Post by sdfsdfsd3443f »

epsteingpt wrote: post #182

it is the fight, but the game is already over. what do people think the billions of billions of pattern matching used in ads will be used for? people think 'anonymous' credentialing will work here? they've captured scroll patterns, typing patterns, language patterns, all sorts of fingerprinting. the game unfortunately is basically already over.

Unrelated, but you remind me of how absolutely useless ad technology is. The literal second I cross the border into Spain on holiday all I see is completely Spanish ads for stuff I never heard of and aren't even appropriate for my gender. This is for a ten year old YT account that basically knows everything there is to know about me. Even when I continue and look for English videos they keep shoving Spanish bullshit into my face.

Even at home I still get ads for music festivals, shoes and toothpaste, none of which are withing a thousand yards of my personal preference. The times I saw an ad for mechanical keyboards, interesting APIs, IDEs etc I can count on literally one hand and that's being online for decades.

iPhones' builtin autocomplete, Netflix and Spotify's recommendations all have robbed me of the illusion that smart people are actually working on this problem. If they are, it ain't working. The money printer works but not because of clever tech. YT's ad tech basically boils down to a geolocation of IP and I sometimes even question that.

Re: The 'papers, please' era of the internet will decimate your privacy

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Post by sdfsdfsd3443f »

derwiki wrote: post #194
Gigachad wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rather than becoming a social outcast I’d rather support any proposed laws that take down the social media companies.

You can definitely drop social media and not become a social outcast. Group threads on Signal are great!

I think he questioned the wisdom of isolating yourself from "people" in general.

On a related note I would like to add that social activity of any online kind is completely useless and can be get rid of immediately and without any adverse side effects whatsoever.

I'm pretty convinced the next generations will view being online as cheap and stupid. Offline is where the real value is.

Re: The 'papers, please' era of the internet will decimate your privacy

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Post by sdfsdfsd3443f »

kulahan wrote: post #189
999900000999 wrote: post #33

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Parents taking responsibility for their kids. I grew up in a neighborhood full of drug dealers. Street sellers, not the classy Walter White kind. Ironically being on a computer all day kept me out of trouble. But with these laws in place I guess you might as well start doing stupid ish in real life.

I'm glad computers came in and saved you from your otherwise-inevitable life of cartel involvement, but I don't see what this has to do with the en-masse mental poisoning of children? I'm not even talking about politics yet. Cyber-bullying is insane . Either way, I genuinely don't believe "let's just hope parents... start doing better?" is a solution.

We need to calibrate the incentives. Parents can be held accountable for neglect and abuse. Giving your kids phones and letting them use it without supervision is abuse. Enforce it. Denormalize this bullshit.

I have knives in my kitchen. Do I give it to them and let them run around the neighborhood? I could but there are consequences and I would be held accountable for it.

Social media = knives or as some other commenter pointed out, similar to letting your kids play in traffic.

Re: The 'papers, please' era of the internet will decimate your privacy

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

j2kun wrote: post #21

There are at least some technological solutions here, such as anonymous credentials. [1] Modern versions of this technique allow one to associate metadata (like a proof of age exceeding a threshold) in such a way that the verifier can't even correlate repeated requests across users. Governments that are serious about age verification and individual privacy (which, doubtful they truly are) should agree on a protocol a…

None of this is really about age verification, the goal is for it to be invasive so a real ID can be connected to every piece of speech online.

Re: The 'papers, please' era of the internet will decimate your privacy

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Post by xboxnolifes »

Kuyawa wrote: post #175

There is absolutely no privacy on the internet, Snowden told us 13 years ago but we all forgot. The government already knows everything about us, and I mean everything. It is extremely naive to think they don't or that you are safe behind a VPN.

If they already know everything, why is there always a push toward adding friction to the process they already know everything about?
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