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Why current LLM costs are not sustainable

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Re: Why current LLM costs are not sustainable

#33
i think we have the causation backwards here. llms aren't expensive because they have to be — they're expensive because we keep reaching for the expensive model instead of putting any effort into making the cheap one good enough.

a surprisingly large fraction of production workloads can be handled by smaller models with the right scaffolding. it's often easier to switch to a larger model than to engineer those pieces, so many teams never bother.

my intuition is that a lot of the current "ai cost crisis" is really an orchestration problem rather than a model pricing problem. before asking whether frontier pricing is sustainable, i'd first ask how much of that spend is simple tasks being sent to the smartest available model by default.

my bet for the next few years is that the model itself stops being where the value is. frontier models will become more like commodities, and the real difference will be the layer around them as routing each task to the cheapest model that can do it well, verifying the output, and only escalating when needed.

eventually, asking "which model do you use?" will sound a bit like asking "which cpu do you use?" the engine still matters, but the system built around it matters a lot more.

Re: Why current LLM costs are not sustainable

#34
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not sure if that is wise. It’s a hostile superpower after all

Hostile? Us or them? I beg to differ who the hostile ones might be.

We are hostile to each other. It's ignorant or propagandistic to pretend it is only one sided. The concern is valid, if vague and unproven

Re: Why current LLM costs are not sustainable

#35
The problem space has a few aspects:

1. We're still in the "$5 airport Uber" era of LLMs. They're heavily subsidized, and everyone still complains about costs.

2. There hasn't been a real incentive to work on cost optimization for data centers and the hardware they contain. When/if price hikes happen and send people scrambling to use other models or drastically reduce AI usage, this will suddenly need to happen.

3. We're massively overusing SOTA models. As long as you're on a subsidized subscription, you can use Claude Opus 4.8 high to write blog article meta descriptions. If you paid by token, you wouldn't do that.

4. Open models are a wildcard that could completely change the calculus.

Re: Why current LLM costs are not sustainable

#36

Curren prices will come down. There is a lot of potential for optimization. Energy efficiency, energy generation, self hosting, model size and specialization. Etc. Rught now the state of the art is powering data centers with gas powered turbine generators. That's not very efficient.

Of course, but will the AI startups with their SaaS business model survive?

Re: Why current LLM costs are not sustainable

#37

The problem space has a few aspects: 1. We're still in the "$5 airport Uber" era of LLMs. They're heavily subsidized, and everyone still complains about costs. 2. There hasn't been a real incentive to work on cost optimization for data centers and the hardware they contain. When/if price hikes happen and send people scrambling to use other models or drastically reduce AI usage, this will suddenly need to happen. 3. W…

Mostly agreed, however I'm not sure about 3: I suspect it works like gym memberships, and the companies mostly make their money from people who don't use the subscriptions all that much.

Re: Why current LLM costs are not sustainable

#39
> What is happening here is that leading AI labs are charging not only for inference but also for research in model architecture, training data collection and curation, model training cost (which can be tens or even hundreds of millions of dollars), paying their employees and recovering the marketing costs.

Of course they do. How else do you expect them to pay for that? If you buy a Foo from Acme, Inc, you aren’t only paying construction costs, either.

> On the other hand, once an open weight model is released, any inference provider can easily host it and just do some markup on inference cost. This proves way cheaper than running a frontier AI lab.

The only logical conclusion for commercial AI labs is to never release their models as open data, and try to stay ahead of open models. One way to do that is by having better models, another by having more users (because that decreases the per-user costs of creating the models, decreasing the price difference with companies running open models). The frontier labs are aiming for a combination of both.

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