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Why current LLM costs are not sustainable

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Re: Why current LLM costs are not sustainable

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I think companies will fire 5-10% of people and convert them to token budget.

I also believe that before any real companies are running these models locally, they will already have some kind of agentic layer.

With the current frontier model lab progress, i do not see any real company which makes real money, running local models.

Running local models is easy for me, for sure not that easy for any company. Your DC needs to be able to host GPUs, it needs the cooling power, you need to have a DC. Without a DC, you need to have someone maintaining critical infrastrucutre, taking care of model evaluation etc.

For external parties, there might become a new business model: You might not hire an external anymore, but a token budget and the 'operator of the token budget'.

The current chip fabs are full, developing a high end / cheapisch local LLM Chip will still take a few years as long as the DC GPU demand is still as high as it is.

Re: Why current LLM costs are not sustainable

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I have already seen a number of people doing the math on what it would take for hardware to self host a Q8XL quantization of GLM5.2 shared between N numbers of people.

There's additional advantages that everything you query, all of your context cache and everything it outputs stays private and can't be arbitrarily turned off by external interference.

Personally I think it would be a fairly good bet that something with the 1TB of RAM needed to properly self-host GLM5.2 will still be a very usable piece of hardware in 4 to 5 years from now. There will be even larger, newer models available, sure. But there will also be better models that continue to fit in the same size.

Re: Why current LLM costs are not sustainable

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One thing missing here is the maturity of agent harnesses. I’m finding the free deepseek flash model in opencode can handle all of my simple tasks, because the harness is so good. Soon that will be a local model.

And the reality is that other industries aren’t finding the use for LLMs as much as programmers are. Sure there are some benefits but you can’t fire your marketing department and replace it with AI

Re: Why current LLM costs are not sustainable

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I think companies will fire 5-10% of people and convert them to token budget. I also believe that before any real companies are running these models locally, they will already have some kind of agentic layer. With the current frontier model lab progress, i do not see any real company which makes real money, running local models. Running local models is easy for me, for sure not that easy for any company. Your DC need…

I work with large enterprises that _only_ run critical workloads on locally hosted models. Think banks, insurance, etc--businesses that absolutely cannot leak any data. They also have CC and Codex, but their use is extremely restricted; anything of consequence runs on models running on GPU clusters in their own datacenter.

Re: Why current LLM costs are not sustainable

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> To give an example, just doing Typescript type fixes with this model across 50 files cost me $54 this afternoon.

If you can use a subscription with any of the SOTA models, do that.

Instead of around 4k EUR in token costs, my Opus usage costs me 108 EUR (with taxes) per month with their Max 5x plan. It's the same with OpenAI, those are heavily subsidized.

It doesn't make sense to pay per-token, unless you must.

> What is happening here is that leading AI labs are charging not only for inference but also for research in model architecture, training data collection and curation, model training cost (which can be tens or even hundreds of millions of dollars), paying their employees and recovering the marketing costs.

Chances are, they're never getting that money back. Best case scenario, the hype around AI slowly declines, worst case - it crashes and takes a part of the economy with it.

Also anyone doing distillation with hundreds or thousands of those subsidized attacks is probably winning big. Especially as the model architectures (e.g. DeepSeek V4) are more oriented towards efficiency.

> Last but not least and in fact the most important factor, is the ability of users to run local models. So far, almost everyone is using cloud-hosted models and local models are either too big to deploy or too slow to work with. With advancements in chips, this will change in 4-5 years’ time.

Currently beefy hardware to run them fast enough to be competitive with the cloud (at least 60 tps) is expensive and even then the small local models quite suck compared to SOTA or even DeepSeek V4 Pro and GLM 5.2, though they're way better than they used to be (compare Qwen 3.6 with 2.5 for example).

Re: Why current LLM costs are not sustainable

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There is a wave of users switching over to DeepSeek Flash. There are Reddit threads of users sharing billion token spend for $20. If all of global spend on Anthropic/OpenAI/Gemini APIs just switches over to DeepSeek then easily we can decrease total AI spend by 10x

I am not sure if that is wise. It’s a hostile superpower after all

Re: Why current LLM costs are not sustainable

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> To give an example, just doing Typescript type fixes with this model across 50 files cost me $54 this afternoon. If you can use a subscription with any of the SOTA models, do that. Instead of around 4k EUR in token costs, my Opus usage costs me 108 EUR (with taxes) per month with their Max 5x plan. It's the same with OpenAI, those are heavily subsidized. It doesn't make sense to pay per-token, unless you must. > Wh…

Why do you think that subscriptions are subsidized and not that enterprise tokens are sold at 3000% margin? There are few enough frontier labs that cartel is possible.
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