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Apple to skip high-end M6 Mac chips in favor of AI-focused M7 line

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Re: Apple to skip high-end M6 Mac chips in favor of AI-focused M7 line

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> This means there won't be a redesigned MBP this year since there won't be M6 Pro/Max chips. They can release a redesigned MBP with the base M6 chip.

They can, it wouldn't make sense from a marketing and optics perspective. They don't want to tell the world how the new redesigned MBP is the best laptop in the world but it's slower than the older MBPs.

They released the M5 MacBook Pro last fall, but didn't release the M5 Pro and Max models until the spring.

Re: Apple to skip high-end M6 Mac chips in favor of AI-focused M7 line

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They can, it wouldn't make sense from a marketing and optics perspective. They don't want to tell the world how the new redesigned MBP is the best laptop in the world but it's slower than the older MBPs.

The optics and marketing is already fucked, the MBP goes to M5 Max, the Mini has the M4, the Studio has M2 or M3, the iMac apparently has two different kinds of M4s, it's all fucked.

Air and Pros are the flagship products.

Re: Apple to skip high-end M6 Mac chips in favor of AI-focused M7 line

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Apple isn't just transitioning to TSMC's 2nm node, they are also transitioning to a chiplet based design using TSMC's advanced packaging. > What sets the A20 apart isn’t just the node shrink—it’s the revolution in packaging. Apple is transitioning to Wafer-Level Multi-Chip Module (WLCM) integration, meaning that RAM will no longer be situated beside the chip, but rather on the chip wafer itself, integrated alongside…

A kind request - please try to write HN replies without AI, but if you're going to, please at least edit out any "it's not X its Y" or "isn't just X, but also Y" AI tics. A lot of us come here to get away from talking to AIs all day.

Re: Apple to skip high-end M6 Mac chips in favor of AI-focused M7 line

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A hypothetical M7 Ultra with LPDDR6 14.4Gbps memory would be 1.85 Tb/s. You're look at about 100 tokens/s for a 1T MoE 37B active 4bit model. It'd probably cost $30k or more I'm guessing if memory prices do not come down. Even at $30k, it could still be a relative bargain since an RTX Pro 6000 Blackwell 96GB card costs $12k today. The M3 Ultra with 512GB was around $8k before Apple discontinued it. I expect an M7 Ult…

Where did you get 55% from? iPhone and Mac gross margins behave been 40% or so for years IIRC.

Quick internet search. Whether it’s 40% or 55%, the main points stay.

Re: Apple to skip high-end M6 Mac chips in favor of AI-focused M7 line

#105
really stupid question, but why doesn't the US gov work with someone like apple to build a american fab with like 1 trillion dollars budget?

some kind of private-public partnership

sorry if thats already happening in some capacity, like i said - "stupid question"

Re: Apple to skip high-end M6 Mac chips in favor of AI-focused M7 line

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Indeed. If Apple makes it feasible to run models like GLM 5.2 at home, I will become their customer.

It's plausible but is the Apple Tax for a 1TB memory machine on top of current memory prices really worth it? I paid around $4000 for 4090m laptop with 16GB VRAM back in 2023, it's great but DoA for even quantized LLMs. I can run SLMs and fine tune it but that's it. We need one of those specialized inference chip startups to succeed and a PC manufacturer willing to bet on them against Nvidia for the local AI to find…

I recently bought a Mac mini M4 16 GB - mostly to run Immich. I assumed I needed a Linux box. After a lot of researched I was quite surprised that the mac was the cheapest option. So not always an Apple tax.

Re: Apple to skip high-end M6 Mac chips in favor of AI-focused M7 line

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Local AI isn’t gonna help Apple, especially not with the rate hardware prices are increasing. They need to pull out of this half assed bandwagon approach.

Local AI is going to help Apple, especially with a return to normal RAM pricing being an inevitability, even if it takes years.

They don't need to pull out of this approach.

Re: Apple to skip high-end M6 Mac chips in favor of AI-focused M7 line

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Indeed. If Apple makes it feasible to run models like GLM 5.2 at home, I will become their customer.

you're not a customer of any of their products at all already? not a single apple device in your household?

there a many people who don't own Apple. Why are you so surprised? I certainly don't and never will. What's it got that I can't get on a standard PC + Linux?

Re: Apple to skip high-end M6 Mac chips in favor of AI-focused M7 line

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Don't worry, they'll just make cars more expensive

Come to think of it, modern cars have a lot of electronics such as touchscreens, cameras, and sensors. It wouldn’t surprise me if new car prices are not immune to what’s happening with RAM and storage prices.

Why don't people run their AI on their car? Two birds, one fragglerock.

Re: Apple to skip high-end M6 Mac chips in favor of AI-focused M7 line

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Everyone seems to miss it but the article also says that M5 Ultra Mac Studio is coming out later this year. Yay! I wonder how much the rumored 768GB RAM version will cost.

I am waiting till apple copies the "allocation" concept from high end car manufacturers. "Sure, buy the 25 iphones ans we will gladly put you on the waitlist."

This makes no sense. Apple doesn't need to generate artificial demand for their products. Apple doesn't need (or want) a perception of exclusivity.
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